Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 20:03:15 -0500 To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com From: Raphael Allen <rcda at duke.edu> Subject: Re: David Horowitz/reparations for slavery In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103031611500.13928-100000 at socrates.Berkeley
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Randall Robinson's the president of TransAfrica, a Washington think tank. He wrote a book called The Debt: What America Owes to Blacks (1999?).
There's a Q&A with Robinson at http://www.earthtimes.org/dec/profilerandallrobinsonofdec9_00.htm
And there's a lengthy transcript of a "Transafrica Forum On Reparations" at http://www.transafricaforum.org/reports/print/reparations_print.shtml It's worth reading.
R.Allen
At 04:15 PM 3/3/01 -0800, you wrote:
>Berlin:
>Here is where my thing with David Horowitz has been going. Someone
>forwarded him my letter to the editor where I compared him to a troll on
>the internet, and so he got completely offended and pissed off (it's
>politically incorrect and incivil to call someone a troll). He said he
>would only debate Randall Robinson, who I've never heard of.
> Below that are some more of his insane supporters. (Horowitz says he
>won't post the real racist stuff on his site)
>
>Horowitz:
> >If Tim Wise is white I'm not interested. In fact, I'm not interested in
> >anyone who has to be imported. If I'm going to debate I'll debate those
> >involved.
> >
> >Mr Horowitz,
> >
> >I'm really disappointed that you don't want to participate in a debate on
> >the UC Campus. I think it would be most appropriate to debate someone like
> >Tim Wise, who has a similar background to you in that he has completed
> >college and has been a writer/journalist, than some sophomore journalist at
> >the Cal Student newspaper (and which one would it be anyway?) who hasn't
> >even gone through school yet, much less written several books or served as
> >the editor of major magazines and newspapers. Everyone knows that the Daily
> >Cal is pretty weak. The liberals criticize it even more than conservatives.
> >It wouldn't be an even debate... you know - you've got about 30 more years
> >of rhetorical experience. Would you reconsider so that students could see
> >both sides of this issue? Tim Wise is going to be in California/Oregon
> >towards the end of April. He's going to be debating Dinesh D'Souza at the
> >University of Oregon on April 19th/20th. Otherwise, would you debate a
> >graduate student or UC professor who would want to take up on a related
> >issue? And would the person have to be a not european person in order for
> >this to work?
> >
> >thanks,
> >Christine (ottilie at hotmail.com)
> >berkeley, ca
> >3/3/01
> >
> >
> >Horowitz responds:
> >Apparently you are calling me names on other sites, so this is going to be
> >the last civil response you get. If I set up a debate a Cal between myself
> >and a white guy who is speaking "in behalf of blacks" what do think the
> >response of the African American students is going to be? There are plenty
> >of black studies professors or black college graduates (since this seems to
> >be important to you) who are directly involved in the reparations movement
> >who can speak for the other side. I have been invited by many radio and TV
> >shows to debate Randall Robinson who is a leader of this movement, but Mr.
> >Robinson has refused to debate me. As have all the leaders of this
> >movement. Why don't you post emails accusing them of being cowards as you
> >have accused me? Don't even bother answering. Just address your emails to
> >them in future. I am ready to debate any of them or anyone suitable to this
> >debate in this context.
> >
> >Keep up your great information and enlightenment! Perhaps it will indeed
> >seep through the barriers, put up by Liberals, to keep Americans
> >uninformed.
> >
> >Young people need to understand that many black leaders, such as Jesse
> >Jackson, only want to keep blacks in the victim class. This way, Jesse
> >makes millions of dollars each year, all the while injecting hate and venom
> >throughout our society, thus ensuring that he and his cronies all have a
> >full-time job.
> >
> >Reparations for the blacks are as sensless as it would be for me to insist
> >on reparations, because my bloodline has some Cherokee Indian.
> >
> >I get so frustrated with so much "in your face" antics by the militant
> >blacks. There is certainly a problem in the black culture and it's that
> >some carry a very big chip on their shoulder. I say "some" because I
> >personally know many who are busy with careers and families and aren't
> >looking for a free handout- somebody to blame failure on.
> >
> >There are more greatly admired black celebrities than ever in our country.
> >Blacks are in Government, education, sports and many popular television
> >personalities. Exactly what do the militant's want?
> >
> >If they think that by the U.S. paying large sums of money to them that it
> >will heal anything, they are mighty wrong. They want their pockets stuffed
> >from the sweat, and yes, lives of whites who are descendents of those who
> >fought and died for black civil rights. It would cause such an implosion of
> >resentment in our country that the Black militants would have to scurry
> >back to their nests for protection.
> >
> >Gloria Flagwaver (rgm1238 at hotmail.com)
> >Washington State
> >3/2/01
> >
> >
> >Lost in the censorship controversy are the merits of the anti-reparations
> >argument. Every one of the points in the ad is correct and not very
> >controversial to anyone who knows history.
> >
> >Indeed, the rudiments of civilization - cars, trains, planes, hospitals,
> >computers, electricity, indoor plumbing . . .etc, were all developed by
> >whites. No black society ever produced a wheel or a written language.
> >Blacks are very lucky indeed that their ancestors were purchased by whites
> >from black African slaveowners!
> >
> >Moreover, a proper balancing of the books would have blacks owing whites
> >reparations. Countless lives and money have been lost due to black crime,
> >violence and welfare use.
> >
> >James P. Lubinskas (jplubinskas at aol.com)
> >Germantown, MD 20874
> >3/2/01
> >
> >
> >
> >Just Who in America is a Rascist?
> >(FrontPage Magazine - David Horowitz, "Horowitz Censored by Campus
> >Fascists", March 2, 2001)
> >View more comments on this article | Post your own comment on this article
> >
> >Just who is calling whom a rascist? God made us into seperate races. Blacks
> >like the company of other blacks. Cubans live in "Little Havana" with other
> >Cubans. Puerto Ricans prefer other Puerto Ricans. That, my friends, is
> >rascism, pure and simple! No blacks go to my church. I do not seek out
> >black churches in which to worship. This is a simple reaction which we
> >should not be ashamed of. The lion does not lie down with the leopard, nor
> >the leopard with the cheetah. The article by Horowitcz was NOT rascist. The
> >negative reaction by blacks was from their own ignorance. All of the other
> >races have assimilated into the fabrick and culture of America. Only the
> >blacks have remained as the most violent and manevolent and DIFFERENT
> >species of homo sapiens on the planet. They have the chance to talk as the
> >Romans do, work as the Romans do, be good citizens in the country that gave
> >them everything, yet, they persist in attacking the white establishment.
> >Feel sorry for them ?, give them reparations?, never!
> >
> >Bill Campbell (Bill Campbell at DailyNews.com)
> >Ft. Walton Beach, Florida
> >3/2/01
> >
> >
> >How does it feel to have so many venom-dripping racists applauding you?
> >Surely, if you have the true interests of black people in your heart, you
> >would be moved to rebuke these "Send Them Back to Africa" types. All other
> >concerns aside, I am curious about this.
> >
> >Willem R. Brackas (colomarine at yahoo.com)
> >Oakland, Ca
> >3/3/01
> >
> >
> >Horowitz responds:
> >I delete all such letters. Apparently I missed one. How does it feel to be
> >filled with so much hate? Or to be allied with people who are filled with
> >such hate? Just curious.
> >
> >
> >
> >Discourse Futile
> >(FrontPage Magazine - David Horowitz, "Horowitz Censored by Campus
> >Fascists", March 2, 2001)
> >View more comments on this article | Post your own comment on this article
> >
> >I believe it is futile to try to have a rational discussion with screaming,
> >politically correct college students.
> >
> >It is a pity that taxes from hardworking people are used to support an
> >institution which has a history of violently protesting anything that
> >deviates from their preconceived ideas. An institution of higher learning
> >is supposed to expose students to many different voices, not forcibly
> >silence those who disagree in the slight degree.
> >
> >I despair of trying to communicate with such people. I think more and more
> >that separatism is the only solution to the race problem in America.
> >
> >Tom Weaver
> >California
> >3/2/01
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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