Bryan says: On an initial note, having read the interview with the Green party woman, I agree that she has the political tactics of a high-school student, and also that she wasn't clear about why they actually pinpointed her for search....but I totally disagree with you on the above statement. What is ignorant is you Kelly, that you think that she SHOULD NOT be outraged by the treatment that she got. I mean, that is ridiculous. She should be outraged and you should be outraged, plain and simple. A political act is, to a certain degree, to project into present behaviour and to judge the present, based on the coordinates of the belief system which one is trying to attain. Obviously, following your logic, I shouldn't be outraged when settlers wake up one morning and start driving tractors through Palestinian olive orchards and start putting up shacks there, because the climate in Israel/Palestine right now is one of occupation and settlement. Damn, I guess I have had this all wrong, I thought I was supposed to be outraged based on my view of the rights of man and my belief in a solution which will end the occupation of Palestine, and maybe even the creation of a one state solution (even though I know that at least a two state solution must be made for the medium term) where all people in the region, independent of their religion, will be given equal social and economic rights. But no, I am supposed to base the present behaviour of others merely on the political and moral coordinates of the present. And I guess too, I should be thankful to my fellow Israeli soldiers when they hit me with batons and arrest me for blocking the settlement roads after they don't let us have a joint peaceful protest with Palestinians who are having their fields confescated by settlers to build settlements. No I should have been grateful that they only hit me and arrested me when two among the Palestinians who we were supposed protest with were shot and killed while we were held from meeting with them. I mean, my outrage at having not been allowed to peacefully protest and having been arrested was a slap in the face to all Palestinians because I happen to be a Jewish Israeli.
Yah, fucking shit-piss-fuck-cunt-cocksucker-motherfucker-tits fuck fuck fucking yah right!!!! (See, I can swear just like you....I'm political)
Bryan Atinsky IMC-Israel English Editorial Coordinator http://www.indymedia.org.il
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelley" <kwalker2 at gte.net> To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com>; <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 9:59 AM Subject: RE: Green Party official busted at gunpoint
> At 05:40 PM 11/4/01 +1100, Rob Schaap wrote:
> >Fair go, Kel!
> >
> > >thanks. i love it when my assertive argumentativeness gets read as
manly!
> >
> >'FOAD' hardly qualifies as 'assertive argumentativeness', even here!
>
> hakki indicated that he thought i was a man before i said that. i get a
> little tired of getting consistently misread, which is what he did and
> which is why i got fed up. if you don'tunderstand something, then re-read.
> . it was really clear what i was saying. ian got it. so, if Hakki can't
get
> it, someone who is clearly familiar with an american idiom, then he can
> tell it to a cushion. it is not my fault in the fucking least.
>
>
> >I take the point, but it's one that can be used to defend the woman's
> >public outrage. Were I black, working class and male, I'd be very
careful
> >with armed cops, and nasty at anyone who tells me off for not making an
> >issue of such things in the (very dangerous) moment. Were I a wmcf, I'd
be
> >much less likely to be beaten (or worse) for my mouth, and would feel
more
> >obliged to use it on behalf of self and all.
> >
> >Disagreeing as ever,
> >Rob.
>
>
> i didn't suggest that she should have shut up. i even said in my first
> fucking post yay for her that she resisted. what is ignorant is that she
is
> outraged because of the treatment she got. it is stupid, in this climate,
> to think that you're not going to get shat on for the things she did.
which
> was why he kept saying, "don't you understand what happened on 911 lady"
>
> worse, it's a slap in the face to the people who get shat on like that
> every godamned day.
>
> i say FOAD because i'm sick to death of the few folks here that would
> prefer not to actually comprehend what was written. it was pretty plain
> what i said. sometimes it helps to go back to the first post and take it
> all in before responding.
>
>
> kelley
>
>