Why the Taliban hate women...

Kelley kwalker2 at gte.net
Thu Nov 8 12:41:06 PST 2001


At 02:45 PM 11/8/01 -0500, Gordon Fitch wrote:
>Well, evidently it wasn't made clear to me in all that time
>what socialists think socialism is, if it's not "the means of
>production owned or controlled by the people or the workers"
>or something like that -- a definition squarely based on
>_economic_class_. If you think the question is so dumb, it
>should be a trivial matter to dispose of it.

not too long ago we talked about how to compensate people and whether this should be done in a way to reward people for doing especially difficult or unwanted jobs. something like that. now, do you think our consciousness will be advanced enough to actually look at the work that people do and not let subtle sexist, racist, heterosexist assumptions influence our ranking of the relative importance or worth of jobs. sure, maybe you have an answer to that problem -- just don't have a wage system. but what about other things-- like how we actually interact with and accord respect (or lack thereof) to people? will people who do certain kinds of jobs that are seen as similarly "respectable" only want to live with others that do same--as opposed to live near people who say fuck and cock sucker and eat me on an hourly basis at least.

very practically, if these issues aren't attended to, what's to stop, say, people in a community of workers who own and control the means of production in the various factories, plant, offices, etc from, say, claiming that a new landfill is needed. how to decide where to put it? hmmmm, well, hey, there's a couple of acres in PoliteSpeakersVille and there's a couple of acres in SewerSpeakersVille. The Sewer Speakers like to live there because they don't like to have to put up with the wussy bullshit of the Polite Speakers who wince when they hear the word fuck. it's just easy not to have to deal with them when hunting in the morning and doing philosophy in the evening, you know? Cos they, like, want to debate the merits of cock sucking Gramsci and dickhead Lenin. And they really don't like being spoken at in the third person interrogative by those trained in Oxford debate tactics, either. Besides, say the PoliteSpeakersvilleans, the Sewer speakers like to use those two acres for dirt bike and four wheeler trails. What a waste! The two acres in PoliteSpeakersville is used for good and proper things, like a community car wash for the volvos, roller blading trails, and lodges for teaching feng shui. it would be a waste to use that two acres for the much needed landfill, those activities and things are important! dirtbiking and four wheeling are just a worthless activity engaged by losers who say cock sucker and mother fucker.

did marx and engels write only about "class" -- like, there was no discussion of the family? of women? of race? ethnicity? etc? WTF? that most poor people are black men and women isn't an issue? that collegeeducated black men earn less than less than high school educated white women? that more white women than white men are impoverished? that whatever kind of shitty lives the poor in the US have, they are rich by comparison to people sewing soccer balls in india?

kelley



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