I mean seriously, did people's minds work so much differently 60 years ago?
They didn't just puke at this stuff? I went and asked my wife that very question and she interrupted me with the complaint that she was on the telephone.
lp
It's Saturday, so she couldn't have been watching the Soaps, eh! Michael Pugliese http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Chicago+Workers+World+Soap&hl=en Groups search result 1 for Chicago Workers World Soap
Search Result 1 From: David Stevens (phylstevens at worldnet.att.net) Subject: Workers World & Soft-porn Soap Operas Newsgroups: alt.politics.socialism.trotsky View: (This is the only article in this thread) | Original Format Date: 1998/05/15
Workers World Chicago bureau <wwchi at wwa.com> writes:
(... many things, mostly about soap operas).
I'd like to thank our pornography-banning Workers Worlders for their expositions on ABC TV's soap opera culture, which is clearly the major online priority for their Chicago branch, as the record attests.
Deja News shows these archives for <wwchi at wwa.com>:
195 unique articles posted.
Number of articles posted to individual newsgroups
(slightly skewed by to cross-postings):
61 rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc
39 alt.politics.socialism.trotsky
29 chi.politics
18 soc.politics.marxism
13 alt.activism.death-penalty
8 chi.media
7 misc.activism.progressive
3 alt.test
2 alt.fan.oj-simpson
2 alt.politics.radical-left
2 soc.culture.african.american.moderated
2 soc.culture.iraq
1 alt.law-enforcement
1 chi.general
1 news.admin.net-abuse.email
1 news.admin.net-abuse.sightings
1 rec.games.chess.computer
1 rec.games.chess.misc
1 soc.culture.bulgaria
1 soc.culture.cuba
1 van.general
Never mind those 5 MB of pleas to Ramsey Clarke and the ruling class, let's find something _really_ thought- provoking we can read and write about ... like the pregnancy of a fictional character on a TV soap opera!
To see the sort of thing our repressive censors of pornography 'get off on' themselves, I'll append one of my favorites, where WWP discusses poor Nora and her euphemized "delicate condition."
Thanks to Workers World (Chicago) for illustrating what I said all along about the pro-repression censors of so-called pornography, when I cited _Women & Revolution_:
Pornography, for those cretins, is defined merely as whatever doesn't happen to turn _them_ on.
- David Stevens
----------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: OLTL: Nora's Delicate Condition From: WW Chicago <wwchi at wwa.com> Date: 1998/04/15 Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980415191357.18142B-100000 at tekka.wwa.com> References: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980415143846.895B-100000 at tako.wwa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Organization: WorldWide Access - Midwestern Internet Services - www.wwa.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Natasha wrote:
>
> Apr 15 '98:
>
> I noticed a few postings in the last day referring to Nora's
> perimenopausal condition. There was some speculation about her chances of
> having a baby with Bo.
>
> Not to sound like a know-it-all, but I'm a health and medical writer by
> profession and by coincidence I just finished a long piece on infertility
> treatment, with an emphasis on "older" woman. Once a woman is
> perimenopausal, her chances of conceiving her own bioloigacl child is
> practically zero. She may continue to ovulate for months or even years
> before she actually enters menopause and stops releasing eggs altogether,
> but the eggs she releases are almost always non-viable. The ova lose a
> hormone needed to properly divide when fertilized and therefore will not
> produce a zygote. This happens to a woman as she approaches menopause. If
> Nora can already be diagnosed as perimenopausal, she is certainly already
> at the point when conceiving a baby is past her ability.
>
> Some women are getting around this with use of a donor egg - an egg which
> is taken from the ovaries of a fertile woman. The donor eggs are
> fertilized in vitro (in a petrie dish, essentially) and are implanted then
> in the older woman's body, either through the ovaduct, or into the uterus.
> The advantage to this procedure is the recipient can feel more like a
> biological mother because she will experience pregnancy and birth, and can
> even breastfeed the baby if she chooses. I suppose this option would be
> open to Nora and Bo if they were interested, but it's extremely unlikely
> that Nora's character could conceive her own biological child at this
> stage in her life. The other advantage to using an egg donor over adoption
> or hiring a surrogate mother would be to circumvent the problem of low
> availability of children for adoption, and the legal entanglement of
> adoption or surrogacy.
>
> Apparently Nora's doctor (Larry Woleck?) didn't inform her of how poor her
> chances are now, or no one informed the writers of this, or Nora wasn't
> thinking about that when she made the comment to Bo, or she's in denial,
> or the writers figure the viewers don't know anyway so why bother worrying
> about it.
>
> The thing that really bugs me about Nora and this perimenopausal bit is
> that she has made a point several times of saying that she's too young to
> be at that stage yet. She once stated that she is barely out ofer 20s. In
> my opinion, I would peg her to be in her mid to late 40s. If we are really
> supposed to believe that Nora is in her mid 30s, say, are we really to
> believe that she was - what? 10 or 15 when she had Rachel? Shouldn't
> Rachel be at least 25? She's supposed to be a contemporary of Kevin's -
> they entered college and graduated at the same time. Are we really
> supposed to believe that Cassie left her marriage for a man much less than
> the age of 25? Cassie herself should be somewhere in her early 30s at
> least.
>
> I admit Nora looks pretty darn good, but she is certainly at the age where
> she could be expecting menopause to be near or here already. This most
> commonly occurs in women in their mid to late 40s, although it's sometimes
> later, but can occur as early as late 30s. Some competent medical
> professional (and Larry apparently isn't it) ought ot straighten her out.
>
> Natasha
>
Ammendment - One reader was confused by something in this post and I
wanted to clear it up. When I said that a woman produces ova, I didn't
mean she actually produces new eggs, the way a man's body continually
produces new sperm. When I used the word "produce" I was referring to
the
process in which the ovary stimulates a mature agg for release and then
ejects it when ready out into the ovaduct. I apologize for any confusion
I
may have created. - N
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