"Clerical fascism"

Chip Berlet cberlet at igc.org
Fri Oct 12 20:19:51 PDT 2001


Hi,

Indeed! And he apparently copied Pareto's saracstic style.

And Pareto developed sociological theories of elites and wealth that Mussolini borrowed from.

The question is always--did Pareto, the futurists, the socialists, and the anarchists like what Mussolini was dishing up in their name? The answer usually is "not very much."

Chip "In Loco Pareto's Hair" Berlet

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Murray" <seamus2001 at home.com> To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:54 PM Subject: Re: "Clerical fascism"


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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chip Berlet" <cberlet at igc.org>
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> Mussolini (falsely) tried to argue he represented a synthesis of
> socialism and anarchism
> > and futurism.
> ===========
> Wasn't Mussolini a *big* fan of Pareto?
>
> You'll take a joke and like it! :-)
>
> Ian
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> > Leftists, focusing on fascism holding state power, made a number of
> assumptions
> > about the nature of fascism that turned out to be dubious at best,
> and disproven
> > at worst.
> >
> > See:
> >
> > Fritzsche, Peter. (1990). Rehearsals for Fascism: Populism and
> Political
> > Mobilization in Weimar Germany. New York: Oxford University Press.
> >
> > Fritzsche, Peter. (1998). Germans into Nazis. Cambridge, MA: Harvard
> University
> > Press.
> >
> > And for the record, corporatism was a form of Italian syndicalism
> whereby
> > sectors of society were to be organized in cross-class vertical
> structures from
> > worker to owner who were to elect representatives to a common
> assembly. This
> > never happened, but the term corporatism was pilfered to describe
> the rule by a
> > sector of capitalist elites who had formed an alliance with the
> fascist movement
> > leaders in Italy and Germany.
> >
> > The idea that fascism is only a system of corporatist economic
> organization has
> > been largely discredited, and even if you believe that, it has
> little to do with
> > fascist political movements which are autonomous populist movements.
> >
> > I would never describe fascism as a "nationalistic cult." However,
> many fascist
> > movements adopt a cult of personality honoring their demogogic
> leader. And while
> > fascist totalitarianism is sometimes crudely reduced to the term
> "cult," I
> > prefer not to do that.
> >
> > -Chip "can't take a joke" Berlet
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Perelman" <michael at ecst.csuchico.edu>
> > To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 7:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: "Clerical fascism"
> >
> >
> > > What about fascism as a system of corporatist economic
> organization rather
> > > than a nationalistic cult?
> > > --
> > > Michael Perelman
> > > Economics Department
> > > California State University
> > > Chico, CA 95929
> > >
> > > Tel. 530-898-5321
> > > E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
> >
> >
>



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