From: "Gordon Fitch" <gcf at panix.com>
>
> However if there is no God, or God is not interested in
> providing a script for granting, restricting and defining
> freedom, then sovereign states can have no rights. They
> exist simply as the result of the exercise of power.
>
> -- Gordon
========== Why Hobbes you've aged well. :-) Of course the same logic applies to individuals. So no one has the right to say someone else or some institution has no rights, which makes Chuck0's assertion meaningless. Damn, we're back to paradox again.
Ian