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> if all this is confusing only to me, i apologize for the waste of
> bandwidth! last one from me on this,
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sorry to answer my own post, especially after promising these were my last words, but i wanted to add that after revisiting the archives i did find this particular thread:
"is there a non-violent response to sept 11"
in particular, at what seems to be the beginning of this thread, seth ackerman has a detailed post that brings out the position of those opposing the "no war" position. that post is at:
http://nuance.dhs.org/lbo-talk/current/0896.html
please ignore my previous message,
--ravi