Conference on Racism: Jewish Caucus Statement

[Forstater, Mathew]

Leo, As I have said before, it would have made sense for a Jewish state
to have been created in Europe.  As for Jews having 'originated' in
Palestine, first of all, as I am sure you know, they considered Uganda
among other places. Second, a couple hundred year old state a couple
thousand years ago is a stretch.  I'm Jewish (or my parents are,
anyway), and I have a hard time imagining that I actually descend from
inhabitants of ancient Israel.  More likely some people converted way
back when. As for the Jewish treatment in Arab states, how carefully and
objectively have you studied this?  I have seen strong evidence that
Jewish treatment in the Arab world was far better than in the Christian
world, and that Jews were treated very well prior to the creation of
Israel. There is also evidence that Zionists actually promoted ill
treatment of Jews (and propaganda pertaining to same) to promote
emigration. "Expulsion of tens of thousands" is off in any case.

-----Original Message-----
From: LeoCasey at aol.com [mailto:LeoCasey at aol.com]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 2:39 PM
To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com
Subject: Re: Conference on Racism: Jewish Caucus Statement

If one did not know the actual history here, one might think from
Matthew's 
account that Zionists just waited around until the end of WWII and the 
beginning of the period of national independence and decolonization to
get 
in on the fun of starting a colonial settler state. Something took place
in 
the decade leading up to 1945 which impacted particularly upon Jews, and

that something is related to bringing Zionism from the margins to the 
center of the Jewish Diaspora, and to the founding of the state of
Israel. 
But since the European crescendo of genocide against its Jews did not 
climax until this decade, we should exempt all of the earlier European 
settler states from Matthew's strictures, and yet include Israel??? Only

the one "settler" nation-state founded by victims of European genocide
must 
be dissolved??? This logic is a form of posthumous revenge for the 
architects of the Holocaust.

And while we are on the subject of European colonial settler states, it 
might be well pointed out that what truly distinguishes Israel from 
European settler states from Kenya and Zimbabwe to Canada and the US,
from 
Chile and Argentina to the New Zealand and Australia is: (1) that Jews
had 
historically originated in Palestine, and many still lived there; and
(2) 
Jewish settlers came not only from Europe, but from across the Middle
East, 
where they were expelled in the tens of thousands by the same Arab
states 
that now chant "Zionism is racism," and from Africa. These are the dirty

little details that are hidden under the sweeping generalizations of a 
"mostly" European settler state...


>Re Leo's post:
>
>What makes 1945 important is that while the rest of the world was
moving 
>toward political independence for those nations colonized as part of a 
>most horrible and regrettable European colonialist capitalist history,
one 
>small area moved in exactly the opposite direction. Actually, Kenya was


>colonized formally after 1900, and one could cite South African formal 
>apartheid era as after that time as well (though how different formal 
>apartheid was from what was going on in South Africa prior could be 
>debated). But Kenya achieved political independence in the early 1960s
and 
>the apartheid regime fell in 1990. But at least we are in agreement
that 
>Israel, like Rhodesia, South Africa, Kenya, and as you cite, the U.S., 
>Canada, Asutralia, New Zealand, etc., is a settler colonialist state.

Leo Casey
United Federation of Teachers
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It never has, and it never will.
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Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet deprecate agitation are men
who 
want crops without plowing the ground. They want rain without thunder
and 
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