Proposition 1: Palestinians are denied a fundamental right to self determination (unproblematic)
Proposition 2: There is no cohesive Arab voice (pararphrased from one of your previous posts)
Now, given the truth of 1, why is 2 also true?
eric
--- Naji Dahi <n.dahi12 at gte.net> wrote:
> Nathan,
>
> Money is the mother's milk of american poltics. It
> has been said many, many
> time. Money, however, is not the only factor. you
> need a cohesive idea of
> what you are lobbying for. AIPAC has its ducks in a
> row, so to speak. To say
> that there is nothing to gain by discussing AIPAC is
> astounding. If you do
> not know how Israel is able to sustain and maintain
> american support for so
> long, then how are "we" going to change that immoral
> and unethical support
> that denys Palestinians self determination. I have
> reflected on the sources
> of US support to Israel many times. The postuales
> that most of the people on
> this list believe in has big holes in it. You guys
> suggest that Israel gets
> its support only because the Empire allow that to
> happen. That does not hold
> water. There are multiple instances of the client
> dragging the Empire by the
> nose. The most recent one is of Bush telling Sharon
> to end the offensive and
> getting rebuffed since the offensive continues. What
> does that tell you??
>
> The idea that Israel is a strategic asset for the US
> does not hold water
> either.
>
> 1. Israel is supposed to be buffer against Arab
> radicalism, but where is
> that radicalism??? Did not the Arab states just
> offer Israel peace in
> exchange for implementing UN 242. Moreover, Israel
> itself is being
> radicalized and Jewish fundamentalism is on the
> rise.
> 2. Israel is a base for the US to control access to
> oil. Again this failed
> the test. when Iraq invaded Kuwait, the US stationed
> troop on SA and kept
> Israel on the sidelines for the entire conflict.
> What kind of help to the US
> was that?
> 3. Israel has spied on/in the US. you have the
> celebrated case of Johnathan
> pollard and you have the most recent case of the
> Israeli "art students." If
> the Empire was really in control of its policy
> towards Israel, would you
> really think that the Empire would be that tolerant
> of Israel's spying??
>
>
> Naji
>
> > Fine- but then the whole ominous Israeli lobby
> argument boils down to the
> > idea that pro-Israeli forces have been better
> organizers than their
> > counterparts, which I have no dispute over. They
> have built alliances
> with
> > numerically larger groups like fundamentalists and
> avoided infighting.
> >
> > Which is usually true of any issue which wins in
> Congress, so by
> definition,
> > a pro-Israeli policy indicates smart organizing by
> its advocates.
> >
> > At the end of the day, if the "Israeli lobby"
> boils down to saying that
> they
> > are good organizers, I don't know what is gained
> by even discussing its
> > existence.
> >
> > -- Nathan Newman
> >
>
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