----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Grimes" <cgrimes at rawbw.com> To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:28 PM Subject: Re: One Moore stupid white man
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> C'mon. People who write from the left [Michael Moore] should be
> extremely careful with their facts. There's nothing worse than having
> some right-wing or centrist wiseguy point out all the errors.... Doug
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> But in the end, does it really matter?
>
> I am not arguing that the Left, if it is going to use empirical
> evidence to support its claims, that that evidence shouldn't be
> solid. On the other hand, it seems once in the empirical arena, no
> amount of evidence can ever be enough. And ultimately, in a sense the
> argument almost never really requires the support of empirical
> verification.
>
> I am sure you've noticed that usually the `facts' are pre-constructed
> to reflect the points argued, then quickly the differently constructed
> measures are contested. Then the argument devolves into which of two
> or more measures best fits the reality.
>
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There's that word again when what we have is an interminable, unnecessarily adversarial discourse about societies and how theoriesevidence configure and construct and deconstruct and reconstruct relationships and how they *should* be and become...when the potential and actual determination[s] of *should* are the aporia, apotheosis and grundnorm of conflict......
metaconflictually?
Ian