So, if not unions...

[Marta Russell]

>
>
>The successs of a _union_ leads to bourgeoisification, because
>the values, understandings and relations with which a union
>is organized are liberal -- as I said, they're groups of
>persons who are combining to advance their collective and
>private interests, very much like people forming a corporation,
>partnership, or cooperative.

Yes and all these forms of production stay stuck in accumulation -- 
keeping the capitalist wheel rolling right along.  The revolution 
will somehow need to redirect values to something more than self 
interest and production.


>When and if they succeed, there
>will be a difference between them and the people who haven't
>succeeded, and they will be motivated to attempt to conserve
>their advantages, that is, enter into a class relation with
>the rest of the community.  Isn't this what we generally
>observe in history?  But liberalism is not the only possible
>route of political development and activity.
>
>-- Gordon

I agree.
Liberalism may not be the only route but I don't see much of anything 
else forming on any horizon, certainly not in the US.
marta
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Marta Russell
Los Angeles, CA
http://www.disweb.org