war and the state

Michael Pugliese debsian at pacbell.net
Thu Aug 29 09:34:45 PDT 2002


If it's hard times, the insecurity advertised above must preclude any interest in socialism. If it's fat times, well, why change? So what if the rich have more? It's a lot of trouble to look for a new job, much less a new society. And State-imposed socialism has a lousy track record.

In any case, the capitalist context constantly militates against any sort of socialist activity in the mainstream working and middle classes. They've been smart enough to see to that.

- -- Gordon

Cf. Rat Choice neo-marxist...

http://aurora.icaap.org/talks/jsaul.html the Polish- American Adam Prezorski in a very dour way says capitalism is irrational, socialism is unfeasible, and in the real world people starve, the conclusions we have reached are not encouraging ones. It’s kind of scary when you think of it in those terms. I do tend to think that capitalism is irrational. I know that socialism, or whatever we call it, has not been that successful in the “real world,” but the impulse to resist this lowest common denominator of the marketplace is one that Africans, as well as we, are going to have to rediscover. http://www.globalprogress.org/ingles/aportaciones/przeworski.html ADAM PRZEWORSKI When socialism emerged as a political force, about a hundred years ago, it embodied a twofold promise of liberation from basic needs and unnecessary and unpleasant work. Although poverty still exists in many parts of the world, even in some countries where the majority of the population is rich, the first promise has been fulfilled. The per capita income of a citizen in the year 2000 will be four times greater than that of the year 1950. <snip> http://books.cambridge.org/0521336562.htm http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/052133656 2/reader/1/ref=lib_dp_TFCV/002-1161965-5800039#reader-link M.P.



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