marxist sociology

Charles Brown CharlesB at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us
Thu Feb 21 13:20:51 PST 2002


marxist sociology Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:04:39 +0000 From: "Justin Schwartz" <jkschw at hotmail.com>


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>CB: Why you don't think that some Marxist and Soviet philosophers would be
>doing specialized scholarship on the history of German philosophy, I don't
>know. Lenin specifically called for Soviet philosophers to study the whole
>history of philosophy (I'll find the quote if I must). If I have to , I
>might be able to find in one of my books an actual Soviet, Marxist
>philosopher explicitly discussing one of the people you consider a late
>19th Century neo-Kantian.

You are being deliberately obtuse, Charles. There were academic specialists in the history of 19th and early 20th century German philosophy in the FSU, just as in most civilized countries. Some of these doubtless studied the neo-Ks. Some of these specialists may have been Marxists too.

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CB: Uhhhh , I am being deliberately clear as a bell. You said 99 out of 100 Marxist philosophers don't know anything about late 19th Century neo-Kantians.

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You make a big mistake, btw, if you think that all of them were. In fact, Marxism was pretty roundly hated in Soviet philosophical circles, largely because it was obligatory and because the official stuff was so awful and dull. This hatred did not find wide expression until perestroika and democratization. Then the dominant trends that emerged with the neo-mystical religious-nationalist existentialism in the tradition of Nicholas Berdyayev and Western style libertarianism (Nozick, etc.). Marxism of the sort that Western Marxism would find congenial, e.g., Boris Kagarlitsky and Roy Medvedev, simply never caught on. Among serious Soviet scholars of intellectual history, I would be surprised if very many were Marxists any more than they had to be.

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CB: This is just another angle to make your anti-dialectical materialist argument, and it doesn't prove at all the lacking of dialectical materialism, because it is anecdotal, and an unsupported assertion. Furthermore, people who are religious-nationalist existentialists don't exactly strike me as the one's whose judgments I would respect that dialectical materialism is bad.

(Gorbachev's wife was a philosphy teacher too)


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>For starters, here's Lenin
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>"So far we have examined empirio-criticism taken by itself. We must now
>examine it in its historical development and in its connection and relation
>with other philosophical trends. First comes the question of the relation
>of Mach and Avenarius to Kant.
>. . . .
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>Both Mach and Avenarius began their philosophical careers in the
>'seventies, when the fashionable cry in German professorial circles was
>"Back to Kant". And, indeed, both founders of empirio-criticism in their
>philosophical development started from Kant. "
. . .


>CB: Lenin seems to be fully aware of late 19th Century "Back to Kantism" .
>That would seem to be neo-Kantianism. Are you saying that Soviet
>philosophers were not aware of this discussion in Lenin's book ? I doubt
>it.
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I am sure they were moreaware of it than they cared to be. Btw you can look at Mach's discussion of the "back to Kant" movement in the first chapters of The Analysis of the Sensations, where, describing his own career, he talks about his struggle to liberate himself from Kantianism. As I said, Lenin's not necessarily an authority on thsi stuff unless the police make him one.

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CB; Actually, in the chapter I quote, Lenin explains how Mach started out a Kantian and then became more a Berkeleyian. What makes Lenin good is the content of his discussion.

What's that appeal to "authority" you make ? Dogmatism ?

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Mach also has a very interesting and rather courageous (in the context of Imperial Austro-Hungary) republican credo, where he states that even as a child, he could not understand how people could stand to live under a king "even for one minute"! As a deputy on the Austro-Hungarian parliament Mach was a supporter of labor reforms.

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CB: Lenin doesn't criticize his politics. It is his break with philosophical materialism in the guise of still being a materialist that Lenin objects too.

One of the Machists that Lenin criticizes in the book, the Bolshevik Lunarcharsky, became Minister of Education, when the Bolsheviks came to power. That's how off is your dogmatic, anti-communist , implication that Lenin used state power to enforce his philosophical views.



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