Science, Science & Marxism

[Justin Schwartz]

Well, this is turning into the debate I wanted to avoid. I really don't have 
the energy for it. Let's say I disagree about A&H, and I am more than aware 
of the limits of the actual attempts, in Mondragon and elsewhere, to realize 
market socialism. I just mentioned that as an instance to answet the 
question of whether MS was a mere model like parecon without any actual 
realizations. But enough.

jks

A&H spend a lot
>effort
>to get prices right.  And enterprises that fall belowe a certain
>efficiency  are dissolved - pretty much the same as bankruptcy yet?
>
>In general, I think they pay  more attention to issues Hayek (and Mises)
>raised than any other advocates of planning. ...
>
>Now you also, in another post, brought Mondragon up as an example of
>market socialism.  A critisim often made of market socialism is that it
>is unstable with a tendency to turn into capitalism. In terms of
>Mondragon, I think we can point out the Mondragon factories now hire
>wage labor without giving them membership in the co-ops. Within Spain it
>now engages in joint business ventures that own non-co-op workpalces.
>Also Mondragon own plants in  low-wage nations which it operates as
>conventional capitalist workplaces, with no plans to ever convert to
>worker ownership.
>http://www.dollarsandsense.org/issues/nov97/mon.html
>
>I agree that a discussion of parecon may not be productive on this list.
>   I would simply say that this is not a license to take a potshot at
>it, and then move on, unanswered.
>

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