lbo-talk-digest V1 #5599

Ted Winslow egwinslow at rogers.com
Fri Jan 25 07:43:14 PST 2002


Chris Doss wrote:


> Boy was this passage offensive. Maybe its all the fault of those damn lazy
> negroes and their culture of poverty that they're so poor. Fuck you.
>
> Chris Doss
> The Russia Journal
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>
>
> Their actual relations can be more or less
> consistent with this. I'm not a Sovietologist but my impression (from, for
> example, Gorky's My Childhood) is that the social, including the family
> relations, characteristic of the Russian peasantry (the vast majority of
> the
> population in 1917) were very far from what would be required for the
> development of full rationality, that their likely usual result would be an
> adult personality characterized by primitive defences against psychotic
> anxiety i.e. a more or less paranoid, extremely hostile, sadistic
> personality. These particular internal social relations would then explain
> the coming to dominance within them of a paranoid, hostile, sadistically
> murderous mentality. It is in this way that "internal relations" might
> help
> to explain the last 80 or so years of Russian history including the
> disastrous consequences of the collapse, important features of which were
> the product of advice from "economists" of the Hayekian sort having no
> knowledge either of the psychological factors I've just pointed to (they
> are
> explicitly denied any role in explanations framed in accordance with the
> "logic of the situation"), of the "internal relations" which produce them
> (the approach treats social relations as "external"), or of the truth
> contained in the passage from Keynes that Brad recently quoted.

The passage contains the following ideas. Adult personality traits are rooted in the family relations characteristic of infancy and childhood. Paranoia, hostility, sadistic aggressiveness etc. are the product of a particular kind of family relations. (These two ideas are elaborated in Melanie Klein's "object relations" theory of the roots of adult personality in experiences in infancy and childhood.) Gorky's My Childhood describes family relations like those Klein claims are associated with the dominance in adult personality of relatively primitive forms of defence against persecutory and depressive anxiety such as paranoia, sadistic aggressiveness, etc. To the extent they were typical of Russian peasant households the relations described by Gorky would lead to those traits as typical of personalities emerging from those households - they might show up, for instance, as extreme anti-Semitism. This would have social implications.

It's the opposite of racist. It doesn't trace personality traits to unalterable innate "genetic" features of individuals. It explains racism as the product of primitive defences against anxiety, defences themselves taken as most likely dominant in personality because of relations in infancy and childhood. It does, however, acknowledge the existence of irrationality in the form of racism, other kinds of paranoia, sadism etc. It doesn't assume that individuals are everywhere and always rational.

It's been used (by Roger Money-Kyrle in Psychoanalysis and Politics) to explain the roots in family and economic relations of the kind of personality strongly attracted to fascism and Hitler in Germany. As I pointed out some time ago, the general ontological idea I was using it to illustrate, "internal social relations," is implicitly used by Marx to tie the coming into political dominance in mid-19th century France of the mentality represented by Louis Bonaparte to the irrational mentality of a large section of the French peasantry.

I assume when you say "offensive," you mean, among other things, obviously mistaken. In what way are these ideas obviously mistaken.

Ted



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