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>Jeez, Justin. Petty theft not bailable if there's a prior? That's
>shocking. And "three strikes' laws? And the range of maxi-maxi
>conditions now routinely applied in US and state prisons that amount to
>torture under international law? What will it take to shock you? How do
>you think the US has managed to build the gulag that makes it the Number
>One Prison State (by percentage of population imprisoned) in the world?
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>john mage
I didn't say it wasn't shocking. I said that denial of bail isn't the same thing as denial of of trial. Given that I'm a fanatical, fundamentalist civil libertarian, whose political work these days mainly around the civil liberties consequences of 9/11, as you know, what one earth would make you think that the tendencies you describe aren't shocking to me? It's because I'm a liberal democrat that I find them shocking.
jks
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>I was talking to a public defender out of Oakland last weekend. He
>told me that local courts, prosecutors, and cops prefer probation so
>they can extend their control over people, leaving them on a string
>where they can jerk them into prison at any time without any more
>proof than a PO or cop's word. Nice.
>
>Chuck Grimes
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