No, I am not saying that we on;y need a "nominal" presumption of innocence. It's not "nominal" to say that you are entitled to a trial with a lawyer before you get a criminal conviction and a sentence that could be notion, or probabtion, or very long, or death. It's true that if there si no way to get you show up for trial because you are too poor for bail, or if you are suspected of being dangerous or a flight risk, the authorities can hold you--not indefinitely--but that si not being presumed guilty or convicted, Besides, I want to hear if any of these would be civil libertarians have any better ideas? Maybe, like Carrol, they don't care if potentially dangerous thugs and hoodlums walk loose beacuse they think that the cops are worse than the hoods. Of course people to say that tend not to live in large urban areas, where, however bad the cops are, the hoods are worse. I know that under socialism we will all be rich, happy, and free, and the Gangster Disciple will lie down with the ex-ghetto child, but right now we have certain problems. And not just with the GDs, either. jks
>
>On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Justin Schwartz wrote:
> > OK, so what's your proposal for making sure that the accused shows up
>for
> > trial? I suppose at this point we could install electronic anklets so
>that
> > the cops could pick you up if you didn't show. And what about people
>accused
> > of horrible violent crimes, including those caught red-handed pumping
> > bullets into their victims? Would you feel happy saying, well, sir,
>you're
> > presumed innocent,
>
>Are you saying we only need a nominal presumption of innocence in such
>cases?
>
>-- Luke
>
> > so please show up for your capital trial (or, in a
> > civilized society) your trial for life imprisonment...
> >
> > jks
> >
> >
> >
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