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> No, I am not saying that we on;y need a "nominal" presumption of innocence.
> It's not "nominal" to say that you are entitled to a trial with a lawyer
> before you get a criminal conviction and a sentence that could be notion,
I was addressing your hypothetical, which implied that the severity of the offense and the liklihood that the accused was culpable for it are relevant additional considerations in setting bail. Do I think it's a good thing that we have a generally accepted (outside the confines of LBO) means of getting presumably nasty folks off the streets before they stand trial? Sure. But I doubt that we can say that we're presuming them innocent in anything resembling the way we presume the innocence of the unaccused.
-- Luke
> or probabtion, or very long, or death. It's true that if there si no way
to get
> you show up for trial because you are too poor for bail, or if you are
> suspected of being dangerous or a flight risk, the authorities can hold
> you--not indefinitely--but that si not being presumed guilty or convicted,
> Besides, I want to hear if any of these would be civil libertarians have any
> better ideas? Maybe, like Carrol, they don't care if potentially dangerous
> thugs and hoodlums walk loose beacuse they think that the cops are worse
> than the hoods. Of course people to say that tend not to live in large urban
> areas, where, however bad the cops are, the hoods are worse. I know that
> under socialism we will all be rich, happy, and free, and the Gangster
> Disciple will lie down with the ex-ghetto child, but right now we have
> certain problems. And not just with the GDs, either. jks
>
> >
> >On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Justin Schwartz wrote:
> > > OK, so what's your proposal for making sure that the accused shows up
> >for
> > > trial? I suppose at this point we could install electronic anklets so
> >that
> > > the cops could pick you up if you didn't show. And what about people
> >accused
> > > of horrible violent crimes, including those caught red-handed pumping
> > > bullets into their victims? Would you feel happy saying, well, sir,
> >you're
> > > presumed innocent,
> >
> >Are you saying we only need a nominal presumption of innocence in such
> >cases?
> >
> >-- Luke
> >
> > > so please show up for your capital trial (or, in a
> > > civilized society) your trial for life imprisonment...
> > >
> > > jks
> > >
> > >
> > >
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