-----Mensagem original----- De: owner-lbo-talk at lists.panix.com [mailto:owner-lbo-talk at lists.panix.com]Em nome de Joe R. Golowka Enviada em: sabado, 22 de junho de 2002 20:51 Para: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com Assunto: Re: Gorbachev on Lenin and NEP
Yes, raising grain prices would have slowed instustrialization. But given how many people rapid industrialization killed one can make a good case that such an alternative path would have been better. Industrialization is not a purely positive phenomenon.
-Agree partially with you, but, as I?ve written before, industrialization could be achieved with much -less human suffering. But it was necessary anyway, not only to decrease the dramatic backwarde- -ness of USSR but also to make the country able to resist foreign agression. USSR would have lost -the war against Germany wasn?t those wonderful T34?s and Il2?s.
Capitalist restoration had already occured by the time the NEP was implemented (although it was still called 'socialism'). The USSR was state-capitalist from day one of it's creation.
-Hmmm... that?s reasonable
> Other alternatives to Stalin's policies within a bolshevik framework
> include the
> models applied in Tito's Yugoslavia and Mao's China.
>
> -None of them particularly much better succeded than Stalin policies, were
> them?
Well, there weren't mass famines in Tito's Yugoslavia, were there.
-But Yugoslavia?s collapse was still faster than USSR one and this country didn?t have to rebuild its -economy two times like the USSR. In China, on the other side, there wasn?t even a worse mass -famine, althought their economy sustained growth for a longer period (Mao?s China GNP growth -rates were reasonable, with 5% growth an year), but it just happened at the cost of capitalist -restoration.
And outside of a bolshevik frame work there are many things that could have been done which would have been vastly superior to stalinism.
-I really don?t know. What would you have done in 1928, were you in charge????
Alexandre Fenelon