Like the prophesies of Nostradamus, cryptic predictions are often elastic enough to cover many situations. Anyone who follows terrorism/counterterrorism would know that all of the many major public buildings listed on the incoherent and vague letter written by Vreeland were obvious targets of terrorism. Not only that, but bin Laden was a likely perp. CNN even ran a story in 1999.
"Intelligence analyst warns bin Laden could strike anywhere" by Kenneth Katzman, June 26, 1999 CNN Report, was online, now apparently off.
WHY WAS THIS NEWS SUPPRESSED BY THE SECRET ELITES!!!
It wasn't. It was on CNN. It was in Rand studies. It was in dozens of articles published prior to 9/11.
The U.S. intelligence community screwed up, and we should all demand they be held accountable. We all need to oppose both unilateral military attacks abroad and government repression at home. And we should oppose terrorism. But conspiracism is a waste of time and energy that alienates our potential allies.
Ruppert gets a lot of mileage from weaving together bits and pieces of fact and allegations into an impressive tapesty of conspiracist skullduggery. But pull the tapesty aside and you see the clever man pulling the levers to make the great Oz seem wise and powerful
Hey, it impressed Dorothy until she stepped behind the curtain and asked the right questions.
Corn is asking the right questions. Ruppert's response has a lot of personal attacks, but few real answers.
-Chip Berlet
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> 03/01/02
> NATION editor David Corn attacks Mike Ruppert with bad
> information. Read
> mike's reply to corn.
> http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/030402_cornreply.html
>
> Email Mr. Corn and let him know what you think: dcorn at thenation.com
>
> Dear Mr. Corn:
>
> I read with great amusement your ill-supported attack on my
> work and was
> surprised that, for a man of your supposed intellectual
> prowess, you had
> such a blatant disregard for facts that you so incorrectly
> reported. Please
> refer to the underlined passages of your missive below and I
> will show you
> just where you have erred.
>
> Your criticisms focus on the case of Delmert "Mike" Vreeland,
> a US Navy
> intelligence officer imprisoned in Canada who, by admission
> -- in court --
> of Canadian authorities, wrote an accurate warning of the
> September 11th
> attacks. That warning, which is now an official part of the
> court record in
> Canada, was placed into the sole custody of Canadian jailers
> on either
> August 11 or 12th, a month before the attacks. A copy of it (obtained
> directly from court records) is available on my web site at:
> http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/
> 01_28_02_vreeland.jpg. The stamp admitting the document into
> evidence is
> clearly visible in the upper right hand corner of the
> document. Therefore
> the document itself is a bona fide source. During Vreeland's
> extradition
> hearings Canadian authorities have acknowledged, under oath,
> that they had
> sole possession of the sealed letter for one month prior to
> the attacks.
>
> All of this was accurately reported by me in a From The
> Wilderness story
> dated January 25th and available on my web site at
> www.copvcia.com. Either
> you did not have the thoroughness to read the story or your
> investigative
> abilities are severely impaired. But then you state only that
> the CIA has
> used drug dealers and avoid the full (and well documented)
> truth that they
> have dealt drugs directly for decades. I will be happy to
> debate you on
> this one too, but I doubt if you'll accept the challenge.
>
> In addition, you attempt to discredit Vreeland by innuendo.
> You state that
> he is in jail on fraud charges. True enough, but did you also
> mention the
> fact that it was his own credit card? For a man such as
> yourself, with such
> great expertise on the CIA, who was Ted Shackley's chosen
> biographer (that
> should be enough to discredit you right there), I am
> surprised that you did
> not recall that during Iran-Contra a number of well
> documented intelligence
> sources were controlled by their respective agencies through
> the use of
> criminal charges connected to their areas of expertise.
> Vreeland had a per
> diem of $19,000; ergo he was controlled through a fraud
> charge. Similar
> victims during Iran-Contra included Scott Weekly (weapons),
> Steve Carr
> (drugs), Jack Terrell (weapons), Bo Gritz (passport), Scott
> Barnes (fraud)
> and Al Martin (fraud). There are others. While many of these
> men, to this
> day, have questionable reputations, it is beyond doubt, as
> established by
> official records, that they were intelligence operatives.
>
> In addition, I have hired a Toronto correspondent who sits in
> on every
> court date as "Mike" Vreeland fights extradition to the US
> and certain
> death. I am traveling (again) to Toronto next week to meet both with
> Vreeland and his attorneys. It will not be the first time
> that I have been
> there or sat in on his court proceedings. Oh, yes, and you
> also forgot to
> mention that, in a call placed on a speaker phone from open court, a
> Pentagon operator confirmed Vreeland's Rank and office
> assignment at the
> Pentagon, This is a part of the court record too.
>
> No, the Toronto Star did not confirm Vreeland's story. The
> Canadian court
> system did. And the fact that he wrote a warning of the 9-11
> attacks a
> month before they happened and that it was sealed away from
> his access by
> his jailers who admit that no one else had custody is a shameful and
> incriminating fact that not even your sophistry can gloss
> over. Rational
> people will want to know how this man knew of the attacks and
> why the US
> government and The Nation are trying so hard to kill this story.
>
> No, you will not get $1,000 from me. The facts are good. The
> story is good.
> My analysis is good and it is left for The Nation's readers
> to wonder whose
> interests you really serve. Your feeble attack reminds of a
> quote from
> Gandhi, "First they ignore you. Then they attack you. Then you win."
>
> Let's see if The Nation will have the integrity to print my letter.
>
> Michael C. Ruppert
> Publisher/Editor
> "From The Wilderness"
> www.copvcia.com
>
>
>
> The Loyal Opposition:
> The 9/11 X-Files
> E-Conspiracy Theories Deserve To Be Debunked
>
> David Corn is the Washington editor of The Nation. His first
> novel, Deep
> Background, a political thriller, was published recently by
> St. Martin's Press.
>
> Please stop sending me those e-mails. You know who are. And
> you know what
> e-mails I mean.... Okay, I'll spell it out -- those forwarded e-mails
> suggesting, or flat-out stating, the CIA and the U.S. government were
> somehow involved in the horrific September 11 attacks.
>
> There are e-mails about a fellow imprisoned in Canada who
> claims to be a
> former U.S. intelligence office and who supposedly passed
> advance warning
> of the attack to jail guards in mid-August. There are
> e-mails, citing an
> Italian newspaper, reporting that last July Osama bin Laden
> was treated for
> kidney disease at the American hospital in Dubai and met with a CIA
> official. There are the e-mails, referring to a book
> published in France,
> that note the attacks came a month after Bush administration
> officials, who
> were negotiating an oil deal with the Taliban, told the
> Afghans "either you
> accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a
> carpet of bombs."
>
> Get the hint? Washington either did nothing to stop the September 11
> attacks or plotted the assaults so a justifiable war could
> then be waged
> against Afghanistan to benefit Big Oil. One e-mail I keep
> receiving is a
> timeline of so-called suspicious events that "establishes CIA
> foreknowledge
> of [the September 11 attacks] and strongly suggests that
> there was criminal
> complicity on the part of the U.S. government in their execution."
>
> I won't argue that the U.S. government does not engage in
> brutal, murderous
> skulduggery from time to time. But the notion that the U.S.
> government
> either detected the attacks but allowed them to occur, or,
> worse, conspired
> to kill thousands of Americans to launch a war-for-oil in
> Afghanistan is
> absurd. Still, each week e-mails passing on such tripe
> arrive. This crap is
> probably not worth a rational rebuttal, but I'm irritated
> enough to try.
>
> It's a mug's game to refute individual pieces of conspiracy
> theories. Who
> can really know if anything that bizarre happened at a Dubai
> hospital? As
> for the man jailed in Canada, he was being held on a credit
> card fraud
> charge, and the only source for the story about his warning
> was his own
> word. The judge in his case said, "There is no independent
> evidence to
> support his colossal allegations." But a conspiracy-monger can reply,
> "wouldn't you expect the government and its friends in Canada
> to say that?"
>
> So let's start with a broad question: would U.S. officials be
> capable of
> such a foul deed? Capable -- as in able to pull it off and
> willing to do
> so. Simply put, the spies and special agents are not good
> enough, evil
> enough, or gutsy enough to mount this operation. That
> conclusion is based
> partly on, dare I say it, common sense, but also on years
> spent covering
> national security matters. (For a book I wrote on the CIA, I
> interviewed
> over 100 CIA officials and employees.)
>
> Anyone with the most basic understanding of how government functions
> realizes that the national security bureaucracies of
> Washington do not work
> well together.
>
> Not good enough: Such a plot -- to execute the simultaneous
> destruction of
> the two towers, a piece of the Pentagon, and four airplanes
> and make it
> appear as if it all was done by another party -- is far
> beyond the skill
> level of U.S. intelligence. It would require dozens (or
> scores or hundreds)
> of individuals to attempt such a scheme. They would have to
> work together,
> and trust one another not to blow their part or reveal the
> conspiracy. They
> would hail from an assortment of agencies (CIA, FBI, INS,
> Customs, State,
> FAA, NTSB, DOD, etc.). Yet anyone with the most basic
> understanding of how
> government functions (or, does not function) realizes that
> the various
> bureaucracies of Washington -- particularly those of the
> national security
> "community" -- do not work well together.
>
> Even covering up advance knowledge would require an extensive
> plot. If
> there truly had been intelligence reports predicting the 9/11
> attacks,
> these reports would have circulated through intelligence and
> policy-making
> circles before the folks at the top decided to smother them for
> geopolitical gain. That would make for a unwieldy conspiracy
> of silence.
> And in either scenario -- planning the attacks or permitting
> them to occur
> -- everyone who participated in the conspiracy would have to
> be freakin'
> sure that all the other plotters would stay quiet.
>
> Not evil enough: This is as foul as it gets -- to kill thousands of
> Americans, including Pentagon employees, to help out oil
> companies. (The
> sacrificial lambs could have included White House staff or members of
> Congress, had the fourth plane not crashed in Pennsylvania.)
> This is a
> Hollywood-level of dastardliness, James Bond (or Dr. Evil)
> material. Are
> there enough people of such a bent in all those agencies?
> That's doubtful.
>
> CIA officers and American officials have been evildoers. They have
> supported death squads and made use of drug dealers overseas.
> They have
> assisted torturers, disseminated assassination manuals, sold
> weapons to
> terrorist-friendly governments, undermined democratically-elected
> governments, and aided dictators who murder and maim. They
> have covered up
> reports of massacres and human rights abuses. They have
> plotted to kill
> foreign leaders. These were horrendous activities, but, in
> most instances,
> the perps justified these deeds with Cold War imperatives
> (perverted, as
> they were). And, to make the justification easier, the
> victims were people
> overseas.
>
> Justifying the murder of thousands of Americans to help
> ExxonMobil would
> require U.S. officials to engage in a different kind of
> detachment and an
> even more profound break with decency and moral norms. I recall
> interviewing one former CIA official who helped manage a
> division that ran
> the sort of actions listed above, and I asked him whether the CIA had
> considered "permanently neutralizing" a former CIA man who
> had revealed
> operations and the identities of CIA officers. Kill an
> American citizen? he
> replied, as if I were crazy to ask. No, no, he added, we
> could never do
> that. Yes, in the spy-world some things were beyond the pale. And, he
> explained, it would be far too perilous, for getting caught
> in that type of
> nasty business could threaten your career. Which brings us to....
>
> Not gutsy enough: Think of the danger -- the potential danger to the
> plotters. What if their plan were uncovered before or, worse,
> after the
> fact? Who's going to risk being associated with the most
> infamous crime in
> U.S. history? At the start of such a conspiracy, no one could
> be certain it
> would work and remain a secret. CIA people -- and those in
> other government
> agencies -- do care about their careers. Would George W. Bush
> take the
> chance of being branded the most evil president of all time by
> countenancing such wrongdoing? Oil may be in his blood, but
> would he place
> the oil industry's interests ahead of his own? (He sure said
> sayonara to
> Kenneth Lay and Enron pretty darn fast.) And Bush and
> everyone else in
> government know that plans leak. Disinformation specialists
> at the Pentagon
> could not keep their office off the front page of The New
> York Times. In
> the aftermath of September 11, there has been much
> handwringing over the
> supposed fact that U.S. intelligence has been too risk-averse. But,
> thankfully, some inhibitions -- P.R. concerns, career concerns -- do
> provide brakes on the spy-crowd.
>
> There is plenty to be outraged over without becoming obsessed with "X
> Files"-like nonsense.
>
> By now, you're probably wondering why I have bothered to go
> through this
> exercise. Aren't these conspiracy theories too silly to address? That
> should be the case. But, sadly, they do attract people. A
> fellow named
> Michael Ruppert, who compiled that timeline mentioned above,
> has drawn
> large crowds to his lectures. He has offered $1000 to anyone who can
> "disprove the authenticity of any of his source material." Well, his
> timeline includes that Canadian prisoner's claim and cites
> the Toronto Star
> as the source. But Ruppert fails to note that the Star did
> not confirm the
> man's account, that the paper reported that some observers
> "wonder if it
> isn't just the ravings of a lunatic," and that the Star subsequently
> reported the judge said the tale had "no air of reality." Does that
> disprove anything? Not 100 percent. There's still a chance
> that man is
> telling the truth, right? So I'm not expecting a check.
>
> Conspiracy theories may seem more nuisance than problem. But they do
> compete with reality for attention. There is plenty to be
> outraged over
> without becoming obsessed with "X Files"-like nonsense.
>
> Examples? There's the intelligence services' failure to
> protect Americans
> and the lack of criticism of the CIA from elected officials.
> Or, General
> Tommy Franks, the commander of military operations in Afghanistan,
> declaring the commando mis-assault at Hazar Qadam, which
> resulted in the
> deaths of 15 to 20 local Afghans loyal to the pro-U.S.
> government, was not
> an intelligence failure. (How can U.S. Special Forces fire at
> targets they
> wrongly believe to be Taliban or al Qaeda fighters, end up
> killing people
> they did not intend to kill, and the operation not be considered an
> intelligence failure?) More outrage material? A few months
> ago, forensic
> researchers found the remains of people tortured and killed
> at a base the
> CIA had established in the 1980s as a training center for the
> contras. The
> U.S. ambassador to Honduras at the time is now the U.S.
> ambassador to the
> United Nations, John Negroponte.
>
> There are always national security misdeeds to be mad about.
> They may not
> be as cinematic in nature as a plot in which shady, unidentified U.S.
> officials scheme to blow up the World Trade Towers to gain
> control of an
> oil pipeline in Central Asia. But dozens of dead Hondurans or
> 20 or so
> Afghans wrongly killed ought to provoke anger and protest.
>
> In fact, out-there conspiracy theorizing serves the interests of the
> powers-that-be by making their real transgressions seem tame
> in comparison.
> (What's a few dead in Central America, compared to thousands
> in New York
> City? Why worry about Negroponte, when unidentified U.S.
> officials are
> slaughtering American civilians to trigger war?) Perhaps
> there's a Pentagon
> or CIA office that churns out this material. Its mission:
> distract people
> from the real wrongdoing. Now there's a conspiracy theory
> worth exploring.
> Doesn't it make sense? Doesn't it all fit together? I
> challenge anyone to
> disprove it.
>
> Published: Mar 01 2002
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