Vegans kill animals too

[ravi]

Michael Perelman wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 12:14:29PM -0500, ravi wrote:
>>Doug Henwood wrote:
>>
>>>I talked to an East Coaster a while back who spent some time in
>>>Berkeley, hating it. She said the final straw, though, was when she
>>>bought a pound of coffee that had a label assuring that "no birds were
>>>harmed" in the production of the beans.
>>>
>>doug, i dont get your point. are you saying that veganism is some sort
>>of silly california fad and has no moral value?
>>
>
> New forms of coffee production are very destructive of important migratory
> habitat.  Traditional production preserves the shade trees.

so, thats a good thing isnt it, that no birds were harmed in making that
coffee? why would doug's friend hate that and feel it was the last straw?

Kelley wrote:
> 
> and, because like me, she probably finds it exceedingly annoying that
> the lifestyle left tends to have a snide attitude about ordinary workers
> who are holed up in the incestuous backwaters of the cultural tundra.
> 

who is this "lifestyle left"? are they only to be found in berkeley?
recently i met someone who is a "liberal" but was annoyed at young kids
who were hanging around street corners doing drugs and not getting jobs,
since "there are so many jobs out there". is that an example of the
"lifestyle left"? are they worse than the "intellectual left" to be
found in new york city and boston (the folks who tend to philosophize
about rap music because of the cachet of slumming)? ;-) or how about the
"psychic/spiritual left" waiting for the next fancy sanskrit term that
they can put a spin on? they seem to be all over the country! ;-)

	--ravi