yes, and you're kidding about the vote. it is idiotic to have the list vote on it. lists cannot be democracies in that way because the members of the community change. you can also pull the plug on it. the vote becomes symbolic of all sorts of irrational things. given that people STILL think that it's about getting rid of archives and don't understand the technology, they're confused. etc. all in all, voting is a dumb idea and i'm not participating it in it except to rig it. why the fuck DO you think there are so many no votes!?
kelley