>I don't see how Jim's challenge can be in good faith. And I don't see
>how the responses to it make any sense at all. Steps will be taken when
>there is loud public clamor, threatening disruption of business as
>usual, for those "steps." For persons who are out of power to say, we
>should do this or that, is academic in the bad sense (looking for
>neither truth nor change) unless they have a scenario of how they would
>achieve power to implement those otherwise empty engineering solutions.
So, buddy, what's to be done? Can't propose anything until "we" have power, but how can you gain influence, much less power, if you don't have anything to propose. Sounds like a perfect prescription for disengagement disguised as its opposite.
Doug