First, I, Charles Jannuzi wrote:
>> || For all that gets made of the Israeli military and intelligence and
the
|| pro-Israeli lobby, there is also a well-paid pro-Saudi lobby and Saudi
|| Arabia blows big bucks on military and security, much of it
|| linked to the
|| US. But that doesn't mean these establishments and networks can't be
|| infilitrated and turned against the US. If Arab military types
|| got into the
|| US under cover of being their for friendly purposes (pilot
|| training for an
|| anti-Iraqi operation, for example) and pulled off 9-11, they
|| might also have
|| carried anthrax from sources in Saudi Arabia.<<
Then Hakki:
>>Charles, I don't get why you overlooked the reports about the former head
of
Ft. Detrick pathology? Anthrax went missing during his watch, he got fired
for Arab-bashing, he was seen sneaking into the lab after he got fired, he
left an electronic lab slide label behind set at "anthrax 005", and he fits
the profile of the perp: A military guy (from his handwriting) and an
insider. <<
I'm not overlooking him, but I was busy defending myself from charges of posting right-wing conspiracy garbage (though supposedly it might have been in defense of a right-wing conspiracy or something).
Let me chime in here with the theory about the Detrick pathology head. If the theory that it is the one guy or small group in the US, then the very nature of the stuff used means it has to be someone able to get it from a place like Ft. Detrick.
All I was pointing out is, if they (the Bush regime) want to pin it on 9-11 guys, then they had better show where these guys from Saudi Arabia and Egypt got their weaponized anthrax, which is not easy to make. We've heard some rather feeble efforts on the 'credible' news sources about anthrax labs in Afghanistan, but they can't get away with any bold lies because then they'd have to back it up with real evidence.
When we get a satisfactory explanation of just how the 9-11 gang got in so easily to do what they did, what their actual cover was, then we'll also have a government ready to tell us what happened with the anthrax. Like never probably.
Hakki:
>>Also, all this talk about Carlyle shouldn't distract us from the fact that
the DoD budget is a gargantuan slush fund for political kickbacks,
post-retirement enrichment of bureaucrats, campaign financing, junkets,
propping up uncompetitive US firms, you name it. It's not a question of a
Carlyle conspiracy or a repug conspiracy, it's a fundamental, distinctive
feature of crony capitalism USA.<<
Which is what I've been saying, too. Again, poorly connected, poorly written , easily discredited conspiracy theories serve the powers that be. All you have to do is say, wow, look at the sources, look what these guys believe, it's all a bunch of nonsense.
But Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld know how to work the nonsense for their own ends. The bigger the dishonest allegation the better. Not necessarily because everyone will believe its true, but it always sows enough confusion and leaves everyone in doubt as to what is and what is not factual.
Next, about the stories about the anthrax vaccine and its dangers. A lot of the original reporting got done at Air Force Times and Stars and Stripes by career journalists who have made a career of covering defense issues, and their stuff then just got copied and zipped around the loony right web. Still, what was in those original articles also got picked up by the non-military media as well. It wasn't all a bunch of nonsense. There are problems with the vaccine. It wasn't just a right-wing conspiracy against Clinton and Cohen, however much right wingers fed off it.
We know BioPort does exist, and it was largely controlled by Washington insiders at Carlyle Group and someone made a killing off it. The Dems say Carlucci and Crowe, the Reps say Cohen. We now know that entities like Carlyle Group are equal opportunity employers, and two Clinton administrations mean that a lot of revolving doors candidates now come from the Dem. side of the spectrum.
Carlyle Group fits in so nicely (a defense holding company whose head can still get on the phone to Rumsfeld, a private, closely held investment fund, an offshore merchant bank, a firm with gov't insiders at the helm--is it any wonder the Bin Ladens wanted to invest here?) . Its started out as a rather pathetic group looking to sell their old political connections for sage advice, but Carlucci's first stroke of genius was apparently to be able to guide CG into being 'proactive' as defense underwent controlled consolidation (something, if you remember, Cheney under Bush I was supposed to head up but which got sidetracked because of the unexpected Persian Gulf boom) .
If you understand how CG evolved and expanded and how it now works, then you understand how a lot of other things work. Really, as far a military contractors go, they aren't very interesting. You could look at the BioPort investment as a DARPA spin-off biotech play that turned into a major embarassment.
Charles Jannuzi