the anti sex left

[Kelley]

see the sex wars, the dildo wars, and the porn wars among feminists, where 
it was sometimes claimed that women who engaged in anything smacking of 
supposedly oppressive hetsex were still oppressed by dominant society and, 
therefore, not truly liberated or feminist. or something like that. there 
is a whole issue of Hypatia devoted to that whole thing. Also, shoulda been 
at a conference on Postmodernism at SUNY Binghamton where, IIRC, it was 
about whether there was a such a thing as an essential sexuality --a 
sexuality by, of, and for women that was free of the relations of 
oppression and domination that supposedly manifest in het sex between men 
and women.

As I understand, that's where some of this started: among feminists who 
didn't necessarily think that women had some essential sexuality that was 
always about having sex with the whole person, not objectifying the other 
(as if), 3 hours of foreplay minimum, candlelight and bubblebath, whole 
body massages, etc.

Christian, you mean annalee isn't your hero?

kelley

Gonna hire a stripper to give my bf a hummer while i watch!

At 11:43 AM 10/22/02 -0400, Christian Gregory wrote:


> > It's not necessarily treating an issue as "less
>serious" to argue that people have a whole range of different  attitudes to
>sex and maybe prudes and hedonists don't actually have to slag it out over the
>non-legal aspects of sex to join forces on a range of economic and social
>justice campaigns.
> >
> > -- Nathan Newman
>
>Brava, darling. There are times when issues about sexuality _are_ about social
>justice--ie. paternity, adoption, tax codes, unequal enforcement of sex laws,
>etc. But that's not what _this_ discussion is about. _This_ discussion is
>about orifice fashion: I'm for rimming and proud of it! Let's build a
>political ontology!
>
>Gloria Vanderbilt