<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The unions pay quite a bit for such loyalty, in both money and volunteer labor.  The latter is the coin that gives democratic movements power, although the money helps energize it, since mobilizing volunteer labor is not always cheap.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But there is truth that money is speech and there is no reason that the working class cannot compete with the wealthy.  They may have far more income per capita, but there are vast numbers more who have an interest in restraining corporate power.  Unions are one of the main vehicles for collecting the small sums per capita and channelling them effectively into the political system.  That is why the corporate types hate them so much in the political realm.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My argument is only that the unions are getting value for their money.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Nathan Newman<BR><A href="mailto:nathan@newman.org">nathan@newman.org</A>     <A href="http://www.nathannewman.org">http://www.nathannewman.org</A> <BR><A href="http://www.nathannewman.org/log/">http://www.nathannewman.org/log/</A>  (News & Views WebLog)</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=rhisiart@earthlink.net href="mailto:rhisiart@earthlink.net">R</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lbo-talk@lists.panix.com href="mailto:lbo-talk@lists.panix.com">lbo-talk@lists.panix.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:44 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: NJ Dems Supporting Unions</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>how much did the unions pay for such loyalty?   sorry, nathan, but one way or another we have the best govt money can buy.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>R</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=nathan@newman.org href="mailto:nathan@newman.org">Nathan Newman</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=lbo-talk@lists.panix.com href="mailto:lbo-talk@lists.panix.com">lbo-talk@lists.panix.com</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:50 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: NJ Dems Supporting Unions</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Ian Murray" <<A href="mailto:seamus2001@attbi.com">seamus2001@attbi.com</A>><BR>> .<BR>> Just a note on  the real differences between the parties on core labor<BR>> issues.<BR><BR>-That's why the Dems also voted for Nafta and Gatt; to stop pesky state<BR>-govs. from doing such things.<BR><BR>TO REPEAT- Two-thirds of Dems voted AGAINST NAFTA.<BR>Three-quarters and more voted AGAINST Fast Track.<BR><BR>I know those facts aren't convenient for the Dem bashers, but it's the<BR>facts, jack.<BR><BR>-- Nathan Newman<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>