<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Without going into all the legal technicalities and four-part tests of fair use, the argument is that copyright infringement involves any reproduction of copyrighted materials that undermines the market or substitutes for the original work.  Since posting the whole article means that a person will not go to the original site (seeing the advertising) or pay for archive access later, the original copyright holder has been deprived of income and thus an infringement has occurred.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What of fair use, you might say?  Well, some argue it has largely been abolished, especially as courts have said that non-profits can be considered commercial entrprises through fundraising in cases of copyright infringement that serves such purposes.  In the case of LBO, it could be argued that the whole LBO list is a sophisticated advertising endeavor by Doug to sell copies of the print LBO; thus all the copyrighted materials serve his financial self-interest and has no fair use protection.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Of course, linking can follow the same argument, so the reductio argument is that all use of materials, whether articles or links, can happen only at the discretion of the original copyright holder.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Being a public forum actually has little bearing on the issue, except that the economic loss could potentially be larger to the copyright holder.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Nathan Newman<BR><A href="mailto:nathan@newman.org">nathan@newman.org</A>     <A href="http://www.nathannewman.org">http://www.nathannewman.org</A> <BR><A href="http://www.nathannewman.org/log/">http://www.nathannewman.org/log/</A>  (News & Views WebLog)</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=eric_dorkin@yahoo.com href="mailto:eric_dorkin@yahoo.com">eric dorkin</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lbo-talk@lists.panix.com href="mailto:lbo-talk@lists.panix.com">lbo-talk@lists.panix.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 12, 2002 3:03 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Posting whole articles</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>what is the basis for the prohibition of posting full articles?  Despite being a lawyer, I have no idea.  Especially when the list is not a public list (though if the archives are available to the public, then maybe that changes things) <P>eric <P>  <B><I>Doug Henwood <<A href="mailto:dhenwood@panix.com">dhenwood@panix.com</A>></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Chuck Grimes wrote:<BR><BR>><BR>>Here's a hoax letter from a guy claiming to represent TIME, sent to<BR>>the admin of utah.edu-supported listservs (I presume the same guy<BR>>sent one to Marco). Yoshie<BR>><BR>>----------<BR>><BR>>Oh, come on.<BR>><BR>>There's got to be better than that around. If it's just spam, its no<BR>>threat. There has to be more going here.<BR><BR>That's a very close replica of the one that Marco & I got. I was <BR>ready to fold, but Marco questioned his identity and turned out to be <BR>right.<BR><BR>Mostly I post the full text of stuff that's short (one screen of <BR>text), or available only with subscription; otherwise, a summary or <BR>opening paragraph plus URL is best. If the copyright owners complain, <BR>we can take it out of the archives.<BR><BR>Doug</BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> <HR SIZE=1> <B>Do You Yahoo!?</B><BR><A href="http://rd.yahoo.com/welcome/*http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/en/spl">Sign-up for Video Highlights</A> of 2002 FIFA World Cup</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>