<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=cbcox@ilstu.edu href="mailto:cbcox@ilstu.edu">Carrol Cox</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=lbo-talk@lists.panix.com href="mailto:lbo-talk@lists.panix.com">lbo-talk@lists.panix.com</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 28, 2002 12:27 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Determinism</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Tahir Wood wrote:<BR>> <BR>> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:44:15 -0700<BR>> From: "R" <<A href="mailto:rhisiart@earthlink.net">rhisiart@earthlink.net</A>><BR>> Subject: Re:  Determinism<BR>> <BR>> Marx's historical determinism spoils the whole marxist thing for me;<BR>> economics, social interaction and life isn't that simple or preordained.<BR>> determinism is not intellectually honest, only rigorous since it's harder<BR>> to lie to oneself than to tell the truth.   unless you're ari fleischer.<BR>> <BR>> I wonder what would be an example from Marx of this sort of thing? <BR><BR>I don't think it is worthwhile replying to R -- if he can use as silly a<BR>non-marxist expression as "historical determinism," then he is beyond<BR>the reach of reasoned argument. Whatever you say he will simply and<BR>quite automatically and unconsciously translate it into his preconceived<BR>fantasy of what marxism is.<BR><BR>Carrol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>by golly, carroll, you're a mind reader.    your ability to look into my unconscious when you haven't the faintest idea who i am is remarkable.    does one acquire this awesome skill from being a marxist?   or from being merely an intellectual snob?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>R</FONT></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>