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<DIV><FONT color=#000080>sorry, tahir. i didn't think i was being that
subtle. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080>Marx's historical determinism spoils the whole marxist
thing for me; economics, social interaction and life isn't that simple or
preordained. determinism is not intellectually
honest, only rigorous since it's harder to lie to oneself than to tell the
truth. unless you're ari fleischer.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080>just as i don't like freud's psychological determinism:
as in, gender is destiny (which it may be only in the most limited sense
regarding who bears the children -- which is not what freud meant), and the
fatuous claim that everyone always goes through freudian developmental stages
(which i believe do not exist -- especially since i don't have any memory
of wanting to kill my father and screw my mother, no matter how hard i
look. i might have been a polymorphous pervert once upon a time, but
oedipal never ;-) ). </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080>as i don't find reasonable calvin's
determinism; or the puritan's "sinners in the hands of an angry
god." etc.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080>too cut and dried. too 19th century (except for
calvin, of course). too crippling intellectually.
emotionally and spiritually. the claims of western "thinkers"
to universality in their concepts is hollow, vain, ignorant and
fatuous.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080>doug presented the attraction. i do the
subtraction. ;-)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080>R</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=twood@uwc.ac.za href="mailto:twood@uwc.ac.za">Tahir Wood</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=lbo-talk@lists.panix.com
href="mailto:lbo-talk@lists.panix.com">lbo-talk@lists.panix.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 28, 2002 12:40 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Determinism</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:27:56 -0700<BR>From: "R" <<A
href="mailto:rhisiart@earthlink.net">rhisiart@earthlink.net</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: Lightweights and Losers (Was: Sidney, Hilton, Cornel, etc.)<BR>I said I'm
not innocent of snobbery. Hey, isn't one of the <BR>attractions of Marxism that
it's an intellectually rigorous, <BR>nonsentimental form of
egalitarianism?<BR>Doug<BR><BR>if you like determinism....<BR>R<BR><BR>Hey R,
don't be so laconic. Give us something more to work with
here.<BR>Tahir<BR><BR><BR></BODY></HTML>