<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=todda39@hotmail.com href="mailto:todda39@hotmail.com">Todd Archer</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=lbo-talk@lists.panix.com href="mailto:lbo-talk@lists.panix.com">lbo-talk@lists.panix.com</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 30, 2002 7:50 AM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Determinism</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>R said:<BR><BR>>it's interesting, Todd, that carrol needs you to point all this out to <BR>> >him.<BR><BR>Everyone makes mistakes or blunders or faux pas.  Carrol doesn't need ME to <BR>point stuff out to him.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>then why did you?     i think you're being... tactful?</FONT><BR><BR>>you aren't the only one who's counseled carrol regarding his >knee >jerk <BR>>response to words he doesn't like and doesn't understand >from a >source he <BR>>knows nothing about and can't deal with.<BR><BR>Like I said above . . . .<BR><BR>>i don't >believe >carrol has discourage anyone from having their say, <BR>>however; >members >of this message board (such as yourself) are not that <BR>>easily >lead.<BR><BR>Coming from personal experience, having nothing to do with Carrol, members <BR>of this board can be easily "led" into being so discouraged that they say <BR>nothing where otherwise they would speak up.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>that's not good, folks.    perhaps people are intimidated by the crusty intellectuals inhabiting this board.   ;-)     if you're suggesting some members be less judgemental and give others a chance to express themselves and to learn (which i think we all want to do), then i'm in full agreement with you.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>get busy writing everyone.    ;-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's why I posted to Carrol: <BR>I objected to the words he used which encouraged, however slightly, an <BR>inhibition to more open speech.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>in that case, i'm glad you posted what you did. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>><BR>>BTW, rolling your eyes is good exercise for the eye muscles which too<BR>>commonly are fixed in one position reading a CRT or a book.<BR><BR>It can also act to relax the finger muscles that begin to work overtime when <BR>one spots statements so beyond the pale that one feels compelled to say <BR>something equally profound.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>whatever works for you.   ;-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, instead of straining those overtired finger <BR>muscles, roll your eyes and move on.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>Exactly.   I'm going to the gym for a swim as soon as i finish this note.</FONT><BR><BR>><BR>>R wants you to know he's male, and is not a right wing equivalent of >mike <BR>>p,<BR><BR>Well, that's good to know, especially since I didn't say you were.  I was <BR>replying to Carrol's comment about shared practices on this mail-list.  <BR>Sorry for the confusion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>no problem at all.</FONT></DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT> <DIV><BR><BR>>who's material R enjoys very much.  (keep it coming, mike!)    >at the <BR>> >risk of being too open R wants you to know he enjoys firing in >360 <BR>> >degrees to see if he can hit any of the smug, pedantic, rigid <BR>> >intellectual snobs<BR>>that that belch redundant, well masticated dogma from time to time on >this <BR>>message board.    also, R wants to point out that a considerate >member of <BR>>this message board asked him to expand on his >original "laconic" statement <BR>>about determinism, which willingly (or >willfully, to use your term) R did.<BR><BR>Yes, you expanded on your statement, but I felt its character didn't change. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>should it have?    at least it wasn't laconic, was it?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><BR>  I estimated that there would be no point in arguing with you about that <BR>particular belief of yours, since you seemed so sincere in stating it.  If I <BR>made the mistake, and you did want to discuss it further, forgive my <BR>presumption.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>there's nothing to forgive.      although, "wilfull ignorance," and eye rolling was a bit exaggerated.    ;-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>why are you so polite?     you can argue with me if you like.   i don't know that i'd be very much worth arguing with, however.     argue with carrol.   he's much more opinionated than i am.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR><BR>You might want to consider not speaking so much about yourself in the third <BR>person.  People here probably remember Seinfeld and might wonder when you're <BR>going to scream, "Sic semper tyrannis!" and attack someone.<BR><BR>!{)><BR><BR>Todd</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>cute.    i'll revert to the editorial "we."      ;-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>just between us, and the rest of the board, i've watched about five minutes of seinfeld in my life.   i think it sucks.   although i do think julian marie dryfus (sp?) is very attractive.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000080>R</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV></BODY></HTML>