<html> At 11:54 AM 7/3/2002 -0700, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>In this conceptualization, consistent with Marx  - working class derives its income mostly from market value compensation for the labor power they sell, regardless of the amount of that compensation.  An expert technician, engineer, architect, or a professional can earn $200-$300 an hour and still be considered working class.  A capitalist's remuneration, otoh, is mostly rent derived from his/her monopoly/celebrity status.  The border line between the two is somewhat vague, as with most things in real life.</blockquote> Let me get this straight. A "capitalist" rents his labour power, a worker sells his labour power. But the class distinction between Bill Gates and Bill Bartlett is entirely down to his celebrity status. The fact he has a share portfolio worth billions doesn't figure in your class definition at all? Bill Bartlett Bracknell Tas</blockquote> Capitalists do not rent their labor power - their remuneration is based on their monopoly position i.e. celebrity status or actual control of the process of production - which in economics is called "rent." wojtek </html>