<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4916.2300" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Steve Philion:<BR>Speaking of Carrol's reference to Max's being more tied to left movement activity than Hitchens, which is spot on, I found Hitch's remark in his Washington Post "farewell" rant about nary being able to find any mention of Kurds at an anti-war meeting these days none too ironic....I mean, how would he know? When was the last time he went to one?<BR>---<BR>Yoshie:<BR>Overindulgence in Hitchens may cause accelerated decrepitude....Read<BR>too much of an old crank, and you'll begin to sound like one.<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Peter K:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>The seems to comes out when someone's losing a debate or<BR>getting frustrated. Besides Hitchens has met Ocalan, while<BR>I doubt Carrol or Yoshie or Steve have. However I wouldn't<BR>be surprised if Max has. ;)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>--not sure I see the connection here, nor do I get the sense I'm 'losing' any debate.  My argument was that someone like Max has a more active relationship with left activism (especially with labor organizations) than Hitch, who is primarily a celebrity writer.  Thus the takes of the two are quite different, no less different than between, say, Max and Gore Vidal.   What I say of Max could be said of Chomsky for that matter....</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>Steve</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial> </DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>