<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <html><head><style type="text/css"></style><title>Re: Another CIA Revelation</title></head><body> <div><br></div> <div><x-tab>        </x-tab>One good overview is "Democracy in the Industrial Societies" in Noam Chomsky's</div> <div><u>Deterring Democracy</u> (Verso).</div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <blockquote type="cite" cite>----- Original Message -----<br> From: Peter K. <peterk@enteract.com><br> To: <lbo-talk@lists.panix.com><br> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:58 PM<br> Subject: Re: Another CIA Revelation<br> <br> <br> > >><br> > I know this annoys the hell out of people, but Germany and Japan and Italy<br> > - Afghanistan - were "democratized with bombs."<br> <br>  Depends what you mean by "democratized."  What the US and Britain did<br> following the war was to reinstitution the traditional fascists order right<br> back into power. This was done by undermining and basically destroying the<br> left based Resistance movement which was worker and peasant based. The US<br> had no beef with fascism as long as it wasn't conflicting with US interests.<br> That's why the US supported Hitler and Mussolini when they came to power.<br> There are class aspects of WWII which are mostly ignored in the mainstream<br> for obvious reasons....they tell the wrong story. Europe in general was ripe<br> for revolution prior to WWII and afterwards because the business community,<br> by and large, sided with fascism...Its in their bones, sort of speak. Same<br> story in Greece....<br> <br> Plenty of good books on the topic...try The Politics of War by Kolko, or The<br> Splendid Blond Beast by Christopher Simpson. I don't really know about Japan<br> all than well, but I think the story is basically the same with the US<br> undermining the left based and popular worker lead movement.  The US did<br> support labor rights in Japan after the War but moved onto the "reverse<br> course" when the situation started to get out of control.  That's why the US<br> supported the Japanese in Korea right before the Korean war broke out, or<br> the French in Vietnam against the will of the overwhelming majority of the<br> population.<br> <br> Its a long story well documented by plenty scholarship...its pretty much<br> conceded by more the more mainstream historians now, but the usual response<br> is that the US had no choice but to do what it did since the<br> communists-whoever they maybe-were set to take over the world.  That's our<br> job.-Tony<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Good point about India.</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>> Bush was being moronic when he included Iran in the axis of evil as well.</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>> peace,</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>> Peter</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>></blockquote> <div><br></div> </body> </html>