<HTML>In a message dated 12/5/2002 1:36:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, nathanne@nathannewman.org writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">As for Carey, he was the elected leader of the Teamsters, not an outside government, so failures of his internal strategy is quite a different issue. That you don't see the difference between internal democratic struggle and coercive use of state power is symbolic of the problems of the Left that has too much identification with authoritarian state action. -- Nathan Newman </BLOCKQUOTE> I guess the appropriape liberal response is to say "Out with Chávez!!!"</HTML>