somewhere who supported the US in its war against Japan or -the assertion that there was, or is, something "democratic"
about US imperialism ?
>Who is it who can't read? I wrote "you're wrong that "Pearl Harbor"
>made WW II in the Pacific anything but an imperialist
>slaughter on both sides. " in reply to your claim that the imperialist
>war was "justified by just war theory"
>
>* * *
>A point I carefully described as independent of internationalism.
>* * *
>
>and that you regarded
>US victory as "preferable."
>* * *
> That from an internationalist point of view, yes. I said (I repeat
>for the nth time) that liberal democratic imperialism was preferable
>to Japanese quasi fascism.
>
>****
> My point was that a deliberately
>provoked attack is no sort of justification and that the two
>imperialist rivals were *equally* engaged in slaughter.
>* * *
>From the point of view of just war theory, provocation mitogates but
>does not excuse. A reasonable nation is supposed to be able to
>remain grownup in the face of provocation.
>
> I also reject your Gore Vidal derived fantasy story about the Day
>of Infamy being a setup; I love Vidal, but he's not a hiistorian.
>Charles Beard, whose work on this I do not know, is apparantly out
>of his deoth; he's also not a military/dipolomatic historian. The
>consenus of the experts is against you. The idea that Japan did no
>real damage at PH is absurd.
>* *
>
>to
>your claim that "virtually all" socialists supported the
>imperialist slaughter in the Pacific, I can assure you that
>*no* socialist in the tradition of the Third International
>(I exclude Stalinists, of course) supported the war against
>Japan whether or not they supported defense of the
>Stalinized "Soviet Union" against Hitler.
>* * *
>
>So who the hell are you talkinga bout? Not Stalinists and not
>Trotskyists -- wasn't that virtually all socialists at the time?
>There weren't any (western) Maoists, and if there has been any they
>surea s hell would have supposed a war against Japan (any help you
>can get!).
>****
>
>I might add that many bourgeois Asian nationalists, from the
>great Subhas Chandra Bose, to the Burmese Thakins, to
>the great Aguinaldo, to many Indonesians, and even to
>such a significant Chinese nationalist as Wang Chin-wei,
>supported Japanese imperialism against its Anglo-French-
>Netherlandic-American imperialist rivals.
>* * *
> Yah, the Japanese got a certain amount of milage out of that "We
>are Asiatics" line. But I said the Reds didn't buy it.
>
>jks
>
>
>
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