On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:32:27 -0800 Michael Pugliese <debsian at pacbell.net>
writes:
> I've been pondering. It is a tough query. Fuck US Imperialism and
> neo-
> Stalinism. But, that sounds so metaphysical, idealist.
Probably because it is metaphysical and idealist. There is no "third camp." James Burnham in that sense was more consistent (and indeed more of a materialist) than Max Schachtman, who opted for the side of US imperialism while continuing to dream of a "third camp" that never materialized, whereas Burnham realized that there was no such thing, no could there be.
Jim F.
>Even if it is
> the
> ground of my pov.
> Michael Pugliese, Can the Third Camp Get To Third Base W/O Being A
> Tool of
> Empire and Like Shactman Approvig The Bay Of Pigs Invasion And Can
> Some
> Sectors Of The Radical Left Wean themselves From the More
> Essentialist,
> Uncritical Apologias For Autocratic, But Progressive (Health
> Indicators,
> Etc.) Anti-Imperialist States That Have Persevered Despite Massive
> Destabilization Attempts???
>
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:14:46 -0400, Doug Henwood
> <dhenwood at panix.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Nathan Newman wrote:
> >
> >> Which is why denouncing the Cuba repression is always timely,
> maybe more
> >> so
> >> now.
> >
> > So you'd endorse a Bush admin humanitarian intervention in Cuba?
> How far
> > would you go? Covert action? Full-blown invasion?
> >
> > Several times now I've asked all you folks how you'd defend any
> kind of
> > progressive regime against U.S. hostility, and I've yet to hear an
>
> > approximation of an answer. I'm guessing it's because you don't
> have one,
> > but I won't give up hope yet.
> >
> > Doug
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> Michael Pugliese
>
> "Without knowing that we knew nothing, we went on talking without
> listening
> to each other. Sometimes we flattered and praised each other,
> understanding
> that we would be flattered and praised in return. Other times we
> abused and
> shouted at each other, as if we were in a madhouse."
> -Tolstoy
>
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