> At least he spelled our names right-- about the only thing he got right.
> Poor thing.
>
------- Forwarded message ------- From: Michael Hirsch <mmh at pipeline.com> To: asdnet at igc.topica.com Subject: Re: [ASDnet] Counterpunch on the Leo Casey Letter Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:41:33 -0400
> Nathan should go farther. The Steve Sherman piece is particularly
> shameful
> because of what it says about some Cuba supporters: that for them
> politics
> IS religion and Cuba is a religious icon, a relic to wave at the US and
> not
> a model for how to structure or restructure social relations. Saying
> that,
> I'd caution those of us who did sign the statement that our fight isn't
> with
> the benighted Steve Shermans of the world--as much recreational amusement
> as
> that fight would bring--but with the ruling circles at home. Signing the
> statement was a way of reaffirming what socialism is in order to win
> allies
> and change the US, not to score points against those who think the last
> word
> on Cuba was written by Wright Mills more some 40 years ago.
>
> This isn't directed to Nathan, but is just a caution that we keep it in
> perspective. As an old prof of mine, a Spanish Civil War veteran (though
> sadly not POUM) once put it, "No, there are no enemies on the left. A lot
> of
> kooks, though."
>
> Mike Hirsch
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nathan Newman" <nathan at newman.org>
> To: <asdnet at igc.topica.com>
> Sent: April 22, 2003 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASDnet] Counterpunch on the Leo Casey Letter
>
>
>> What a ridiculous column, but about what I'd expect from Counterpunch at
>> this point.
>>
>> It makes this idiot-left statement basically declaring all us
> letter-signers
>> social fascists looking only to strengthen US imperialism through better
>> methods.
>>
>> > Those more familiar with LASSAB might explain that LASSAB
>> >rarely criticizes US allies or the US government, unless its actions
> might
>> >be construed as 'counterproductive' to broader goals of US power.
>>
>> Folks can argue with the strategic timing of the letter or its likely
> effect
>> (a reasonable debate), but when someone tosses Katha Pollit, Mel
>> Dubofsky,
>> Stanley Aronowitz and the range of folks who signed into that kind of
> social
>> imperialist category, they are essentially beneath contempt as far as
> being
>> worth
>> arguing with.
>>
>> -- Nathan Newman
>>
>> People's attention is scarce. Do not abuse it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> People's attention is scarce. Do not abuse it.
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