>--- Kelley <the-squeeze at pulpculture.org> wrote:
> > Me too! I don't think I've read so much bullshit
> > spewing forth in a
> > discussion as in this and the one about beauty.
>
>Really? This is one of the most honest and
>interesting threads I have seen on this list in a long
>time. Usually you just get a bunch of pontification
>and one-upmanship.
>
>-Thomas
i think you're the only one who offered an example of what you find "beautiful". it is like everyone just knows what it is--and that beauty is ostensibly produced _within_ class society-- and yet no one wants to define it.
i find it interesting that there is some assumption that people supposedly dress and present themselves in dreadful ways--doug's New Jerseyites and their fashion crimes--and yet no one wants to admit that maybe those NJers think they look good. What are you going to do about that?
i find discussions that posit a wanting left against which individuals define themselves as superior very pedestrian.
i also find it strange that, despite claims to a structural analysis of ugliness emanating from class society, the discussion nonetheless focuses on individual shortcomings. it also relies on homogenizing the left, all while claiming membership in it.
joanna writes an interesting post about a beautiful and expensive silk blouse and capitalism producing decadence and doug equates expensive (and probably overpriced) silk blouses with beauty. it is all very strange
pompously,
kelley