[lbo-talk] Patriotism is Relative, Not Absolute

Chuck0 chuck at mutualaid.org
Sat Aug 9 07:31:58 PDT 2003


Dennis Perrin wrote:


> I know where Chuck's coming from here. Reading his posts in this thread take
> me back some 12-14 years, when I was in full anarcho-fury. Indeed, Chuck's
> using the exact tone and terminology I did. Kinda brings a smile to my face.

Fuck you too, Dennis. Why don't you say these same things about the other people who post on this list:

"I know where Doug's coming from here. Reading his posts in this thread take me back some 12-14 years, when I was in full socialist-fury. Indeed, Doug's using the exact tone and terminology I did. Kinda brings a smile to my face."

I am simply reacting to some nonsense posted to this list by lefties who should know better. And then they compounded this nonsense by posting nonsense about anarchism.


> But the road Chuck's taking has a dead end, especially in this country at
> this this time. Anarchism is a tendency, a fluid set of ideas that tap into
> the basic wiring of political awareness and desire. It flows from left to
> right and back again.

And here is an example of more nonsense. Anarchism is indeed a tendency with fluid ideas, but it ridiculous to suggest that it "flows from left to right." Anarchism wants nothing to do with either the left or the right. The fact that a few nutballs are trying to meld their right wing extremism with anarchism does not mean that all anarchists are interested in this marriage. In fact, all anarchists have rejected this bullshit.

But in Chuck's case, as in many cases (including mine
> long ago), anarchism becomes a pseudo-religion -- the Answer to Everything.
> You wear the big "A" with pride, convinced of your moral superiority over
> those who -- gasp! -- fly a flag in their front yard. I recall once while
> visiting a friend in Connecticut, we went to a party, and outside the condo
> hung a huge Stars & Stripes. Well, being the righteous anarchist I was, I
> immediately launched into an attack on the condo's owner, demanding to know
> what right he had flying the imperialist flag when the US was engaged in
> killing the Third World's poor. Did he know about El Salvador? Nicaragua?
> East Timor? Oh, I really let him have it. Yes sir. Chomsky would've been
> proud, I thought smugly to myself.

Speak for yourself, but I don't go around people's yards hectoring them about flying the flag. I probably should do more of this, because this would be a practical application of my anarchist politics. I'm sticking to my anarchist PRINCIPLES, which are something you might have if you weren't so busy justifying your liberal, privileged lifestyle. This is about principles, about what anarchism is, not about some "pseudo-religion."

If some dumbshit came up to you and said that socialism was about work camps and bad Canadian medicine, I'm sure that you would jump to correct that person. Am I right?


> Well, doubtful. In any event, I've aged, gotten married, had kids, and live
> in a working class neighborhood where the sense of community and the
> voluntary sharing of material items is closer to my old anarchist dream than
> any amount of hours I spent as a hyper-youth hanging out with like-minded,
> self-described sullen anarchists in NY. And hopefully, as Chuck gets older,
> he'll see the patterns of the life I described above amid the hot and heavy
> rhetoric. Take the Red Pill, indeed.

Hey Dennis, take your ageism and go fuck yourself. Anarchism is not something that is limited to young people. Perhaps you have become one of those irrelevant leftists who erroneously believes that anarchism is a "stage of youth" that festy young people will grow out of. That's about as stupid as saying that somebody will stop being a socialist once they get a nice job and buy a home.

I'm 38, by the way, and find your comments here to be very offensive.

Perhaps when Dennis grows up he will learn to think and use his brain.

Chuck0



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