>
> I've seen people represent themselves. It's not a
> pretty sight.
>
> I love how you guys go all free market on us when the
> law is involved. I presume you have the same feeling
> about medical doctors. Wht shouls lawyers have to be
> licensed? It's only your money and your freedom that
> is at stake. The market will weed out the bad
> unlicensed offerets of legal advice, just like it
> weeds out the bad licensed ones.
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[How about democratizing access to all higher education ie end the use of LSAT etc. as a filtering device?]
It takes three years to graduate from Harvard Law School, but does it only take nine days to learn how to practice law?
Is it true that at Stanford Law School you can earn a degree by flying into town for finals?
In their book Brush With the Law: The Turbulent True Story of Law School Today at Stanford and Harvard, co-authors and practicing attorneys Jamie Marquart and Robert Byrnes explain how they mastered getting a J.D. in absentia.
Marquart, Harvard Law 1998, and Byrnes, Stanford Law 1998, entered law school with the the thought that they would dedicate themselves to academics. They were quickly disilliusioned.
But they did not waste the next three years of their lives. While their classmates spent sleepless nights preparing for grueling Socratic dialogues, they pursued their own versions of legal education. For Marquart, it was how to count cards at casinos. For Byrnes, it was the pursuit of pleasure through modern chemistry.
Of course, they graduated and went on to be hired at top-paying firms.
Read on to find out how ...
We are serializing the entire book, posting a new installment every Wednesday.
http://www.nylawyer.com/brush/
Justin, even with all your smarts I gotta say you sometimes remind me of how Larry Summers and Jagdish Bhagwati think about all the citizens in the street denouncing the economics profession for it's errors and their all too real and horrible consequences.
Ian
Oops. I forget. It
> doesn't. Well, who cares. Lawyers are evil. They take
> stuff thst everyone knows would be very simple if left
> common sense, like the rules we live by, and use their
> monopoply to make it all complicated so you have to
> use them. They are wicked and should be prohibited.
> jks
>
> --- Bill Bartlett <billbartlett at enterprize.net.au>
> wrote:
> > At 8:57 PM -0700 12/8/03, andie nachgeborenen wrote:
> >
> > >Yah, kill all the lawyers, they are all scum.
> > >
> > >Until you need one.
> >
> > Everybody's getting into the act. Here's a story
> > about how "advice sharks" are scabbing on lawyers
> > and poverty pimps in Britain. Isn't free enterprise
> > wonderful?
> >
> > Fortunately it is illegal everywhere for non-lawyers
> > to scab on lawyers in the courts. You "need" a
> > lawyer because the lawyers have forced through laws
> > to ensure that only lawyers can represent clients in
> > courts. Lawyers own the courts and are entitled to
> > charge users of the court system a hefty toll for
> > access to justice.
> >
> > "Until you need one", indeed.
> >
> > Bill Bartlett
> > Bracknell Tas
> >
> >
>
http://society.guardian.co.uk/socialexclusion/story/0,11499,1017317,00.html
> >
> > Social exclusion
> >
> > Benefit sharks prey on vulnerable claimants, say
> > charities
> >
> > Raekha Prasad and Alison Benjamin
> > Wednesday August 13, 2003
> > The Guardian
> >
> > Benefit consultants who charge disabled or elderly
> > people for help with welfare applications have been
> > labelled "advice sharks" for targeting the
> > vulnerable.
> >
> > Charities and campaigners say there are signs of a
> > "worrying growth" in private consultants offering to
> > secure state benefits on a "no win, no fee" basis.
> > There is evidence that some are resorting to
> > techniques usually seen in high-pressure sales
> > operations such as cold calling. Commercial benefit
> > consultants are not regulated, unlike independent
> > financial advisers.
> >
> > They advertise their services in local newspapers or
> > by telephoning potential customers. A fee of up to
> > £500 is charged if an application is successful.
> >
> > The charity Age Concern warns the number of
> > pensioners targeted by private consultants is set to
> > increase when the means-tested pension credit is
> > introduced in October, as half of older people are
> > entitled to it.
> >
> > In one case, investigated by the Guardian, a
> > disabled retired woman received a backdated payment
> > of £639 for high disability living allowance - half
> > of which she has to pay to Steve de Bondt, a private
> > benefit consultant who helped her to apply.
> >
> > An advertisement placed by Mr De Bondt in local
> > newspapers claims that £183.35 a week in state
> > benefits or pensions "should be yours if you have
> > arthritis, walking difficulties, breathlessness,
> > dizziness or sleeping problems" above a telephone
> > number for a "free no obligation consultation".
> >
> > His fee for a successful claim is half the sum of
> > the backdated cheque his client receives from the
> > Department for Work and Pensions.
> >
> > The advertising standards authority is investigating
> > a complaint that the advert is misleading because it
> > implies that having any of these conditions
> > guarantees a right to state benefits.
> >
> > Mr De Bondt told the Guardian: "You don't
> > automatically get benefits if you have any of these
> > complaints. What I have to do is advise the client
> > on the free telephone line whether, in may opinion,
> > they'd be entitled to anything."
> >
> > Mr De Bondt, who is a former head of a local
> > authority welfare rights unit, claimed to have
> > advised more than 2,000 clients in the south-east
> > and Cambridge.
> >
> > He denied he was targeting vulnerable people. "We're
> > not so much advice sharks as advice saviours," he
> > said, arguing that there was a "vast gap" in benefit
> > information and that he offered a "specialist advice
> > service".
> >
> > Agencies offering free benefit advice are concerned
> > that state benefits are not ending up in the wallets
> > of those entitled to them.
> >
> > "The complexity of the system is partly responsible
> > for the rise in private advice," said a spokeswoman
> > for Citizen's Advice, a charity which does not
> > charge for help. "If it was simpler, people wouldn't
> > feel the need to pay."
> >
> > Charities say there is a huge potential market in
> > private advice, given that up to £4.5bn a year goes
> > unclaimed in means-tested benefits.
> >
> > Steve Webb, the Liberal Democrat work and pensions
> > spokesman, is worried about the system being abused
> > by "advice sharks". He is calling for a ceiling on
> > the fees charged. "There should be a cap, or else
> > vulnerable people will loose a chunk of the money
> > they are owed," he said.
> >
> > A government spokeswoman said there were no plans to
> > regulate private consultants. "The best source of
> > advice is our staff and we'd hope people would come
> > to us directly. We're free, as are Citizen's Advice
> > bureaux," she said.
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