[lbo-talk] service coops (was Servant culture)

Kelley the-squeeze at pulpculture.org
Wed Aug 13 10:10:10 PDT 2003


At 09:22 AM 8/13/03 -0700, andie nachgeborenen scribbled:


>So non-feminists are like shabbas goys, they can hire
>and exploit domestics? Because after all, as Joan
>Robinson oncew said, the only thing worse, in a
>capiatlist economy, than being exploited, is not being
>exploited.

see my commentary sent as Lt. Ellen "Have IQs dropped while I've been gone" Ripley. it's about the way that hiring domestics puts women in the position of petty capitalist in a way that going to the Olive Garden for dinner or dropping off laundry at the cleaners does not. For that reason, she does say, If we're going to hire maids, use Merry Maids or something like it. Hire them through a service (or coop if that's something folks want to do) rather than hiring them as individuals.


> She
> > thinks it's a bad idea because she thinks it drives
> > a wedge between
> > professional/managerial women who are feminists and
> > women who do manual
> > labor.
>
>Better they shouldn't have contact with those women
>ata ll, except maybe with the clerical and custidial
>staff at their offices? Because those women aren't
>going to be hanging out a Starbucks chatting union
>with feminsit women lawyers and bond managers.

there's generally no contact anyway, not with merry maids. Most people aren't home when the maids are cleaning. and no, that's not what she or i are saying and if you can't be bothered to address what we are saying, then get lost. your style of argument is really crappy lately.


>I don't think this is the problem she makes
> > it out to be,
>
>Good.
>
> but I
> > do agree with her that feminists have had to deal
> > with the fact that
> > those who speak and write about feminist issues have
> > tended to reflect
> > the interests and concerns of
> > professional/managerial women, often
> > excluding the voices of lesbians, poor women, women
> > who do manual
> > labor, women of color in the US, and third world
> > women.
>
>I dunno, you know this literature better than I do,

yes, i do.

make your kids start doing more work around the house. they're old enough to do their own laundry, vacuum, sweep, mop, you name it.

kelley



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