[lbo-talk] Rejectionists and Thugs (Was Cockburn on Hondorich)

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Fri Aug 15 18:22:59 PDT 2003


And what does it illuminate to say that the suicide bombers reject Israel's right to exist? Would it vindicate them as merely misguided rather than wicked? Or what is your point? Personally I think the whole point is that they are desperate. That is not an excuse, but it is an explanation crucial to understanding what is going on. Are they rejectionist Probably. Is that the problem? Only a Zionist thug would think so, sorry for the blunt language. The probvlem si taht the Zionist thugs have adopted and are enforcing policies that marginalize moderates, create desperation, encourage extremisnim, and manufacture suicide bombers. Ultimately, they will manufacture someone who unleashes WMD against Israel. Then there will be nuclear war. jks

--- Shane Taylor <s-t-t at juno.com> wrote:
> andie nachgeborenen wrote:
> > 1. You know this how? I could, with as far as I
> > know an equal knowledge base, pronounce, they
> > are expression of desperation and rage by people
> > so oppressed and ground down that they feel that
> > life is not worth living, and who seek to daamge
> > their prerceived oppressors any way they can.
>
> Because of who they kill and where. Deeds speak
> volumes; tactics betray
> a great deal about aims. Previously, you've said
> it's because of
> unexamined assumptions that I read this as such, but
> they intentionally
> kill Israeli civilians within Israel, not just in
> Gaza and the West Bank.
> How is that *not* collective punishment? How can
> this be reconciled
> with acceptance of Israeli's right to live *anywhere
> at all* between
> Jordan and the sea?
>
> The ANC didn't use wholesale slaughter of civilians
> to end apartheid.
> Such a response is not a given, not a natural
> outgrowth of the situation.
> Putting suicide bombers in the context of
> "desperation and rage"
> obscures more than it explains.
>
> -- Shane
>
>
>
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