[lbo-talk] Atheism

Chris Doss itschris13 at hotmail.com
Mon Dec 29 07:59:22 PST 2003



>From: Brian Siano <siano at mail.med.upenn.edu>


>>
>>Man's mind is finite. God is infinite. The finite cannot grasp the
>>infinite.
>
>Who says God is infinite? Upon what evidence are we basing this assumption?
>

It's a generally accepted thesis in monotheism... God is assumed to be infinite in the sense of possessing every perfection in the highest degree (unless you want to take the negative theology route and just say he possesses the negation of every possible negation in the highest degree).

Spinoza thought that the infinity of deus sive natura lay in his/its possessing an infinite number of modes of existence. It is one of his axioms:

DEFINITIONS.

I. By that which is 'self-caused' I mean that of which the essence involves existence, or that of which the nature is only conceivable as existent.

II. A thing is called 'finite after its kind' when it can be limited by another thing of the same nature; for instance, a body is called finite because we always conceive another greater body. So, also, a thought is limited by another thought, but a body is not limited by thought, nor a thought by body.

III. By 'substance' I mean that which is in itself, and is conceived through itself: in other words, that of which a conception can be formed independently of any other conception.

IV. By 'attribute' I mean that which the intellect perceives as constituting the essence of substance.

V. By 'mode' I mean the modifications ("affectiones") of substance, or that which exists in, and is conceived through, something other than itself. VI. By 'God' I mean a being absolutely infinite--that is, a substance consisting in infinite attributes, of which each expresses eternal and infinite essentiality.


>>>>>Explanation--I say absolutely infinite, not infinite after its kind:
>>>>>for, of a thing infinite only after its kind, infinite attributes may
>>>>>be denied; but that which is absolutely infinite, contains in its
>>>>>essence whatever expresses reality, and involves no negation.

VII. That thing is called 'free,' which exists solely by the necessity of its own nature, and of which the action is determined by itself alone. On the other hand, that thing is necessary, or rather constrained, which is determined by something external to itself to a fixed and definite method of existence or action.

VIII. By 'eternity' I mean existence itself, in so far as it is conceived necessarily to follow solely from the definition of that which is eternal.


>>>>>Explanation--Existence of this kind is conceived as an eternal truth,
>>>>>like the essence of a thing and, therefore, cannot be explained by
>>>>>means of continuance or time, though continuance may be conceived
>>>>>without a beginning or end.

http://www.spinoza.net/Theworks/Ethics/TSNEthicsPartI.htm

I love Spinoza.

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