Of course, however, making everyone believe there is a God is ludicrous-esepcially when it comes to solving problems in society-but even in the area of "religion", Marxism has played a key role just as it had a role in South America in Liberation Theology-of which I am always interested and fascinated with.
What role does "science" play in the real world? That is the question.
----- Original Message ----- From: "soil ride" <solrde at msn.com> To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:49 AM Subject: Re: Vanishing Marxism on LBO-talk
> > > Comparing Marxism to religion?
> >
> > you betcha.
>
> Which, to me, is quite an absurdity, given the nature of "religion" in the
> context of Marxism.
>
> It seems as if one has forgotten that because of Marx, one can proceed
with
> a curiosity of the world in the same tradition as all other scientists who
> have done so before. There are some texts in regards to Marxism that are
> basically useless-or rather Marx's thought on some of his observations in
> which they can be properly disregarded as such and where Marx ended, Lenin
> picked up-especially in the nature of capitalism and imperialism. This
> reminds me of the title of Stephen Hawking titled one of his books
"Standing
> on the shouldiers of Giants" or something akin to that.
>
> Of course no one reveres "Einstein" as they do Marx or Lenin-for one
thing,
> Einstein was nothing BUT a physicist just as Schroedinger or Newton or fit
> any scientist here. And even in Marxist circles-such as the Frankfurt
> schools of thought [ie Herbert Marcuse] are not regarded as highly as Marx
> or Lenin-and that is because-although they were considered themselves
> "Marxists" they were not revolutionaries, those who engaged in the real
> world-rather than just observing-those who have seen themselves as being
> part of the world and having a role in it. Marx was more than just a
> "scientist", he was also a social and political scientist, in which all
> things and objects are related and they have relationships.
>
> As a "scientist" [which I don't doubt you are], your aim is what concerns
> me, because it is directed at Marxists-and not the real world nor at the
> issues that are at stake in this world.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "budge" <budge at el-pleasant.org>
> To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Vanishing Marxism on LBO-talk
>
>
> > On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 at 11:42pm soil ride wrote:
> > >
> > > Comparing Marxism to religion?
> >
> > you betcha.
> >
> > > A classic example of one observing Marxism rather than Marx.
> >
> > i, like most scientists, observe what is there to be observed...
> >
> > > For it is the method of Marx that is Marxism...a guide to
> > > action in the real world. Not idealistic and or lofty
> > > notions that we have in our heads about the world-or even
> > > about Marx or Marxists [for that matter]
> >
> > whatever. i noticed how you clipped the part of my post
> > that indicated *i* think marx would puke listening to many
> > of the self-identified marxists that ooze their pus around
> > the place. if you can read carefully, you will notice i
> > said nothing to criticize marx or marxian theory, my aim was
> > at some so-called Marxists. you might have noticed my
> > liberal use of quotation marks. (now i imagine i will be
> > accused of being pomo...)
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > no Onan
> >
>