Where I work, we have an icon of the Virgin of Guadalupe (I picked it up in Mexico at the shrine) guarding our computerized voicemail system. It goes with our glow-in-the-dark Virgin Mary statue that protects our computer network server. A wizard of capitalism mouse, however, guards our DSL connection.
-Chip
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> [mailto:owner-lbo-talk at lists.panix.com]On Behalf Of Catherine Driscoll
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:32 AM
> To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com
> Subject: Re: popular culture
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>
> I can't believe I missed this one. What fun.
> I raise you 2 Jan Van Eycks to your Guadalupe.
>
> Quoting Chuck Grimes <cgrimes at rawbw.com>:
>
> >
> > ``...This is partly about the difficult and hotly debated
> > incorporation of various non-Christian histories and
> figures into the
> > Virgin as canonical text, so there was a long and important excess
> > that hung around her. Also some of the most circulated apocryphal
> > texts extend and expand those references to give the Virgin her own
> > godliness, and the Church was a long time agreeing to
> exclude them and
> > didn't do so uniformly. There is some persistence in these kinds of
> > apocryphal roles...'' Catherine
> >
> > ----------
> >
> > It was raining and cold yesterday, so I blew off the entire day
> > surfing the web on Guadalupe, the Virgin, Madonna, and so on. I have
> > to say it was much more fascinating that wondering how the jihad of
> > the al-Bushid will turn out.
>
> I guess, but both have that whole symbolic/economic
> colonisation thing going on.
>
> > In my earlier forays into Christianity, I spent most of my
> reading on
> > the Old Testament and never really bothered much about Jesus, Mary,
> > etc. So it was interesting to consider the difficulties that Mary
> > presents.
>
> Tis (a Catholic and) a colony thing, because 19th-20thc
> Christianity in the
> centre is very new testament oriented.
>
> > So, just some notes.
> >
> > It seems to me there is a tangible distinction between Guadalupe and
> > Mary. Here's the story, first.
>
> Sure, yeah, if you have the tools for dividing them. I mean,
> it's a major, an
> integral, element of Catholicism that it takes whatever is to
> hand and works it
> into th Catholic mythos. Guadalupe is a fabulous instance.
> She's one of my
> favourites (too important even to be secreted when people
> like Doug&Liza sleeps
> in my bedroom).
>
> I loved all of this post, and odn't have any objections or
> qualifications
> except that the variations -- the not at all hebraic BVM --
> is entirely a tool
> of the RC church from the beginning. I mean, cause they
> weren't at all hebraic
> either.
>
> > Speaking of which, have you ever seen a Madonna nursing? It just
> > occurred to me, that I haven't. It is implicit in some compositions,
> > but I can think of one explicitly depicted.
>
> Sure. Yes. Major theme. You want names of painters or places of works?
>
> Catherine
>
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