Deleuze & Guattari, Zizek on Arendt (More from Brennan)

billbartlett at dodo.com.au billbartlett at dodo.com.au
Tue Jan 28 02:05:50 PST 2003


At 6:43 AM -0800 27/1/03, Gar Lipow wrote:


>depends on your bargaining power. Coordinators are not part the capitalist class any more than they are workers. Coordinators need unions too - to defend them against capitalists. But it is not unknown for coordinator unions to act against the interests of workers; for example the AMA campaigns against Single Payer Health, and helps limit the number of people admitted to medical school.

It is not unknown for unions to act against the interests of workers in any trade. But that doesn't prove your point. To prove your point you need to explain why it would not be in the objective interests of professionals to end their own exploitation. Merely to say that they may not be exploited as severely as some other workers in not enough, because it is likely that this is the case for about half of workers. Merely to say that they serve the interests of capital and derive remuneration for doing so is obviously inadequate, since the same can be said for ALL workers. It is also a fact that all workers aid the exploitation of other workers, simply by working within the system.

Your analysis doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny.


> Grant Lee: saud


>>Huh? There were foremen/overseers/etc in M&E's time. This is what the term "aristocracy of labour" covers, among other things.
>
>Marx and Engels were well aware of the *functions*. But they missed the existence of a broad coordinator class; they thought that the middle class was a transitory class of small business owners, lawyers and such who would end up either becoming true capitalists or being absorbed back into the working class.

The middle class was the capitalist class, but before the capitalist class became the ruling class. Just because there was once a middle class does not mean there has to be under a different class system.


> They did not see managers (for example) as part of the same class as lawyers, but as a type of skilled worker. In general they did not a historically significant coordinator class with it's own self interest different from that of workers and capitalists both.

Of course they have their own interest, but is it a distinct class interest? Most managers aspire to be capitalists, their own self interest is not a distinct middle class one.

Bill Bartlett Bracknell Tas



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