Albert & Hahnel or Marx & Engels?

JBrown72073 at cs.com JBrown72073 at cs.com
Wed Jan 29 20:47:35 PST 2003


Kelly wrote:
>As for what you're saying Gar, I think it's pretty simple. If everyone
>takes home 50k in a _socialist_ (profit's out the window, right?), then
>you are being paid, not only for the work you do on the job complex, but for
>the work you do at home. The reproduction of labor thing-a-roo is
>calculated _into_ the wage, no?

That's it exactly, Kelly, but the thing that we keep missing is that it's also included however insufficiently in our paychecks under cap.--sometimes explicity as in the famous 'family wage' which was supposed to provide for the woman's work at home as well. Sexist, cause the money went through the guy. Sexist, cause it justifies paying women less. Progress, cause it recognized some need to pay for the work done at home. Now they got us working 3 jobs for the price of 2--the job at home, the two jobs of the two spouses and nothing for the extra time, not even time.

Some Marxists were against wages for housework, weren't they, cause the idea was that in a collective working sitch you could at least organize with others but isolation at home made that difficult. I think paid parental leave and extended half-time parental leave for both men and women (and the men use it or lose it as they figured out they had to do in Sweden) would be a start. Also more personal days to spend as you wish (to spend time at kid's school, to visit sick friend, to spend day in bed with new sweetheart, to finish lingering mural, etc.)

Oh the guys won't do the work unless we push 'em but now it's economically self-defeating for a couple to arrange things equally--for example with a small child--2 part-time no-benefit jobs? The usually higher paid guy leaving his job? Both work and one person's paycheck goes to childcare?--the choices we get under U.S.-style capitalism are simply dazzling.

Jenny Brown



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