[lbo-talk] Chomsky on ending occupation

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Wed Jul 23 14:45:03 PDT 2003


OK, fine, the obvious conclusion is that we should demand that the occupation continue until the Iraqis get their shit together and throw the US out. jks

--- Yoshie Furuhashi <furuhashi.1 at osu.edu> wrote:
> At 5:45 AM -0700 7/23/03, andie nachgeborenen wrote:
> >But for the reasons that Yoshie has pointed out,
> there are important
> >differences with Vietnam. Although no one could say
> what would
> >emerge, because the Vietnamese had formed
> organizations capable of
> >administering society, total chaos was unlikely.
>
> It doesn't make sense, though, to compare the tail
> end of the Vietnam
> War (or even the tail end of the French-Indochina
> war) with the Iraqi
> present, i.e., the beginning of US (and perhaps soon
> US-led "UN")
> colonization of Iraq. If anything, comparison ought
> to be made
> between capacities of Vietnamese resistance in the
> beginning of
> French colonization of Indochina with those of Iraqi
> resistance
> today, i.e. in the beginning of US (perhaps soon
> US-led "UN")
> colonization. Needless to say, Iraqis today are far
> better organized
> than the Vietnamese in 1884 and even in 1930 when
> the Vietnamese
> Communist Party was founded in Hong Kong (recall
> that Ho Chi Minh
> couldn't even return to Vietnam until 1941).
> Anyhow, an Iraqi
> political formation capable of unifying the nation,
> freeing it from
> foreign occupiers, and forming a legitimate
> government after the
> occupiers' withdrawal will come only out of Iraqi
> resistance to the
> occupation.
>
> At 5:45 AM -0700 7/23/03, andie nachgeborenen wrote:
> >The steps are: (1) Contact UN/Arab League, give
> them a date they
> >have to take over and a budget, and the same time
> as we (2) begin
> >withdrawal. (3) Coordinate our withdrawal and their
> insertion, and
> >(4) begin to pay the new administration
> compensation. (5) Complete
> >withdrawal. What's the anti-imperialist objection?
>
> The objection is that (A) the US government, in the
> real world, won't
> contact the UN Security Council except to extract
> diplomatic
> legitimations and international military
> reinforcements to make its

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