[lbo-talk] Come On! (Iraq & Palestine, Withdrawal not Enough in Iraq)

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Wed Jul 23 15:12:38 PDT 2003


Just because there's twilight doesn'r mean you cannot tell night from day. Palestinians ociety has proved that it is capable of self-government, and the divisions are about who shall rule, not whether there shall be a govt. That is demonstrably not true in Iraq, where society has fallen apart with the fall of the state. Yoshie, as someone pointed out, psychos are kidnapping little children and there is no recourse. Don't stand on political correctness. The Iraqis don't want to hear about it. They want to be safe when they walk out of their houses. jks

--- Yoshie Furuhashi <furuhashi.1 at osu.edu> wrote:
> At 11:50 PM +0200 7/23/03, Bryan Atinsky wrote:
> >The problem in Iraq is not that there aren't
> organizations capable
> >of administering society, it is that there are
> several of them. You
> >have a well armed population (not in comparison to
> the US, but
> >enough for a sustained civil war), a Shia majority
> that wants one
> >form of rule, a Sunni population that is used to
> leaders from its
> >ranks being in power, and a Kurdish population in
> an oil rich region
> >who would like their own territory, which neither
> the Sunni nor the
> >Shia would be interested in letting go of (or for
> that matter the
> >Turks). And this is just the major power
> groupings, saying nothing
> >of how each of them break down into competing
> tribes and factions,
> >secular and religious interests. And this also
> doesn't include the
> >regional power interests who would like their say
> in how Iraq's will
> >look religiously, ethnically, politically and
> militarily.
>
> The same problem of political, religious, ethnic,
> and other divisions
> besets all colonized societies. One can say roughly
> the same about
> Palestinians under the Israeli occupation, too, and
> yet I don't hear
> Israeli leftists saying that Israel must continue
> its occupation of
> the West Bank and Gaza unless and until the UN
> peace-keepers come in,
> set up a UN mandate, disarm Palestinians to prevent
> a civil war among
> contending political factions, and supervise the
> formation of an
> interim Palestinian government. "End the
> occupation" is the main
> slogan of the Israeli left, of which refusers are an
> important part
> -- this despite the fact that, due to decades of
> settlement
> construction, ending the Israeli occupation of the
> West Bank and Gaza
> will be a far more traumatic process for Israelis
> than ending the
> newly-begun US occupation of Iraq will be for
> Americans. What's
> wrong with US leftists?
> --
> Yoshie
>
> * Bring Them Home Now!
> <http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/>
> * Calendars of Events in Columbus:
> <http://www.osu.edu/students/sif/calendar.html>,
> <http://www.freepress.org/calendar.php>, &
> <http://www.cpanews.org/>
> * Student International Forum:
> <http://www.osu.edu/students/sif/>
> * Committee for Justice in Palestine:
> <http://www.osudivest.org/>
> * Al-Awda-Ohio:
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Al-Awda-Ohio>
> * Solidarity: <http://solidarity.igc.org/>
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