Here is a fellow gay male San Franciscan active in, "Gay Shame, " which has creative Abbie Hoffmanesque actions against the commodification of Gay Pride, Inc. but he gets all pissy about the "violent" cream pieing of notorious homophobe, Fred Phelps, who at the funeral of Matthew Shepard, had picket signs saying Matthew was in hell being fried forevermore in the fires.
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:44:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin <caoimhin33 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ufp_discussion] Homophobic Reverend Creamed with Pies, Again
by joint ef...
To: DavidMcR at aol.com, debsian at pacbell.net, dhenwood at panix.com,
lesliecagan at igc.org, stgault at earthlink.net, MandyCarter2002 at aol.com
This "creaming" is just another form of violence and
intimidation. No stranger to the violence of others,
I know that destroying the hate behind the message of
Phelps and co. will not come about by simulated forms
of violence (in mirror image of the simulation of
violence Phelps brings to us). And if violence could
solve our problems, why stop at pieing and not just
assasinate him? why even joke around when so many of
our kind are murdered by religious fundamentalists
like him? You (whoever) can go so far as arranging
this type of thing but cannot shoot him or stab him to
stop him as a person??...but yet you can simulate the
act like life really was/is a stage. The problem I
see with "voyeurs" of violence is that like every
serial killer they have the need to brag about their
actions to get thier kicks from it, though no one has
been killed. I bet it gave those who did it such a
thrill to pie someone because they hated their
ideas...but how brave would they have been to debate a
nut like Phelps one on one?
It is not progressive or revolutionary to support
these type of acts. We are on the defensive, but in
no ways do we ever have to resort to simulated
violence to silence our opponents. Like Allen
Ginsberg said, you should not threaten your
adversaries, but become closer to them.
There are other ways of discrediting our adversaries
other than this. But if violence or simulated
violence is all you can muster to make your point,
fine, but realize that what you start doesn't end with
what you do. You begin or prolong the chain and if
you can't take responsiblity for the course you set or
perpetuate in motion, then you shouldn't embark on
that path to begin with. If you can't accept
responsibility for your actions in every case, then
you shouldn't be so carefree in taking part in actions
whose end results you can't control. I don't believe
in violent revolution. It's only through social
change within the mind that will give us the world we
want. Violent revolution is for always discredited
and violent acts disguised as revolutionary are cheap,
imitated, and comical. All violent revolutionaries
are dead - long live non-violent revolution!!!
Kevin Weaver
SF
--- DavidMcR at aol.com wrote:
> Thanks Michael - I'll send it to a small gay/lesbian
> list of mine. You know, if the pies were real banana cream or coconut
> cream,
> I could be tempted to say terribly incorrect things if you could promise
> me
> such a pie.
>
> David
>
> "Kittens are constantly forgiven" . . . Douglas Wilk
> << >
> > --- Biotic Baking Brigade
> > <bbb at bioticbakingbrigade.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> > Note: this is the second time Phelps' cult has
> >> been attacked with pies,
> >> the first incident happened in San Francisco in
> a
> >> joint effort between
> >> Act Up SF and the BBB known as Operation: Second
> >> Phelping. Details at:
> >>
> http://bioticbakingbrigade.org/communique032699.html
> >> > Communiqué from the [Anti Authoritarian Ed.]
> >> Biotic Baking Brigade (BBB) - Des Moines, IA
> Cell
> >> May 31, 2003
> >>
> >> We, the recently spawned cell of Des Moines
> Biotic
> >> Baking Brigade claim all
> >> responsibility for the pie attack launched in
> the
> >> faces of the Fred Phelps
> >> goon squad. Our "pie-rect action" is an
> expression
> >> of our disgust with the
> >> social-fascist tendencies of the "God Hates
> Fags"
> >> mob squad and their petty
> >> "Westboro Baptist Church." We believe that
> there
> >> are no possibilities for
> >> collaboration between us and them and that all
> >> attempts and resources for
> >> resolution have been exhausted, which is why we
> put
> >> ourselves on the front
> >> lines of this new pastry intifada.
> >> The fascist tendencies of the Phelps cult
> include a
> >> wide array of disturbing
> >> and cruel tactics targeted at homosexuals
> >> nationwide. Particularly, the
> >> picketing of Mathew Shepard's funeral, the 21
> >> year-old University of Wyoming
> >> student who was brutally beaten, tied down to a
> >> split-rail fence and left to
> >> die, all because he was a homosexual. Today,
> Phelps
> >> and his homophobic
> >> goonies attempted to wage their foul war against
> an
> >> innocent gay high school
> >> graduate receiving the Mathew Shepard
> scholarship
> >> award. Fred Phelps
> >> describes why he opposes the young graduate in
> his
> >> official press release
> >> for his protest, "God hates Des Moines Public
> >> Schools & Lincoln Public High
> >> where the administrators & faculty are Satan's
> Pied
> >> Pipers leading kids to
> >> fag sin, death & Hell." But, we know now that
> the
> >> only "Pied" pipers today
> >> are Fred Phelps and company.
> >> In solidarity we stand with Gays, Lesbians,
> >> Bi-Sexuals and Transsexuals
> >> everywhere. With our heads held high and our
> baked
> >> goods in hand, we are
> >> the cream topping on the pie tin of gay
> liberation
> >> and we unite under the
> >> motto, "There will be no peace, as long as there
> is
> >> pie and there will be
> >> pie as long as there are fascists." Fascist
> >> gay-bashers everywhere be
> >> warned... the pies are in the oven.
> >>
> >> Signed,
> >> DSM-BBB Infantry Division No. 515 (The Angry
> >> Marmalades)
> >> Press Department
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>
> >> Police arrest four at anti-gay demonstration
> >> By TARA DEERING
> >> Register Staff Writer
> >> 06/01/2003 Police arrested four people who threw
> >> cream pies at anti-gay
> >> pastor Fred Phelps' followers who were
> protesting
> >> Lincoln High School's
> >> graduation Saturday because a gay student was
> given
> >> a scholarship.
> >>
> >> Members of Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church in
> >> Topeka, Kan., kept their
> >> word and showed up at Lincoln High School's
> >> graduation ceremony at
> >> Veterans Memorial Auditorium in Des Moines. The
> >> church members
> >> demonstrated at the graduation because senior
> class
> >> president Julius
> >> Carter was awarded a college scholarship in
> honor of
> >> Matthew Shepard,
> >> the gay Wyoming college student who was tortured
> and
> >> killed in 1998.
> >>
> >> The First Friday Breakfast Club, an Iowa
> association
> >> of gay men, also
> >> kept its word. The group raised about $80 per
> minute
> >> for the more than
> >> half-hour the anti-gay demonstrators stayed,
> said
> >> Drew Gulley, 20, a
> >> member of the First Friday Breakfast Club. The
> money
> >> will go toward the
> >> organization's education and scholarship funds.
> The
> >> group said it would
> >> hold a counterprotest to Phelps' group.
> >>
> >> Maj. Russell Underwood said police were on hand
> >> Saturday for both
> >> groups' safety.
> >>
> >> "It's a shame the pies had to be thrown,"
> Underwood
> >> said. "I thought we
> >> would get by with no arrests. I don't think
> either
> >> side wants violence.
> >> They just want to be heard."
> >>
> >> Barricades separated Phelps' followers, who
> stood
> >> outside the auditorium
> >> holding rainbow-colored signs that said "God
> hates
> >> fags" and "God hates
> >> America." Phelps himself did not attend the
> protest.
> >>
> >> A few feet away, barricades also separated
> >> counterprotesters, who
> >> outnumbered Phelps' group. They held signs
> reading
> >> "God loves everybody.
> >> God even loves Fred Phelps. But I'm not God. Am
> I?"
> >>
> >> Shortly before the graduation began, four people
> >> dressed in black
> >> carrying messenger bags approached Phelps' group
> and
> >> threw cream pies at
> >> them.
> >>
> >> Police charged Timothy Bossenberg, 22, no
> address
> >> available, Sean Glynn,
> >> 20, of Des Moines, Kristen Chilcoat, 19, of Des
> >> Moines, and Lacey
> >> Hanson, 19, of Altoona, with disorderly conduct.
> >>
> >> Police confirmed that Phelps' group had received
> >> threatening e-mails.
> >>
> >> Jonathan Phelps, a church attorney and member,
> >> called the pie throwers
> >> criminals. "They don't have any respect for the
> >> law," said Phelps, as he
> >> wiped off the whipped cream from his laminated
> sign.
> >>
> >> Gay activists passed around a donation hat to
> >> collect money to bail the
>
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-- Michael Pugliese